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The red states consistently make it harder for Democratic leaning populations to get ID. Everything from closing places where ID is available to places like Te

The red states consistently make it harder for Democratic leaning populations to get ID. Everything from closing places where ID is available to places like Texas make gun permits a legal form of ID and not student IDs. In some places native Americans can’t get IDs because of their address. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/how-voter-suppression-laws-target-native-americans https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/how-... https://journals.law.harvard.edu/crcl/voter-discrimination-through-voter-id-in-alabama/ https://journals.law.harvard.edu/crcl/voter-discrimination-t... In Florida, voters passed a law that made it easier for people released from prison to vote. It was still blocked by the legislation. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/28/ron-desantis-sued-voting-rights-group https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/28/ron-desantis...

1659447091 1y ago
> to places like Texas make gun permits a legal form of ID and not student IDs. A student ID does not require the holder to get both a state and FBI background check. Besides the background checks, obtaining a license to carry (Texas gun permit) also requires an ID that could be used for voting itself. Student IDs, not so much. Also, I think people really underestimate the number of Democrat leaning gun owners in Texas. There are far more relevant examples to use, including cost and difficultly navigating bureaucracy for obtaining documents. Throwing that Texas example in there weakens the argument and I really wish people would stop so the real arguments can be taken seriously.
- scarface_74 1y ago
  To get a student ID, you have to have a government ID from your home state or a passport. You don’t think schools just take your word for it as they allow you to use their services that cost tens of thousands a year?
  - 1659447091 1y ago
    Community colleges also issue student IDs Forgery is far more simple for those than a LTC
    - scarface_74 1y ago
      Absolutely no one is forging an ID to vote. This is the percentage of voter fraud found in the US by the conservative Heritsge foundation. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-widespread-is-election-fraud-in-the-united-states-not-very/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-widespread-is-electio... The largest voter fraud ever attempted in the US was actually 2020 with the Republican fake electors.
      - 1659447091 1y ago
        I meant forgery to obtain a student id vs a LTC. I think you are misunderstanding my intent here. The student ID thing is a weak argument. If they need a government issue ID/passport to get a student ID -- then so what if a student ID is not allowed? They already have a valid ID to vote with. It's a distraction. Texas has been doing trumpism since before trump was a thing. Allowing LTC but not student ID does 2 things only and neither has to do with voting; it pisses off people not in their camp and being a valid Texas state ID keeps in line with using a valid Texas ID in places where that is used (not only voting). A student ID is not a valid Texas state ID (voting or otherwise). Stating that LTC is okay and not a student ID specifically for voting is them trolling and you are falling right into it. It's getting people caught up on something that seems like it's done to disadvantage one side, but really a student ID is simply not a valid Texas ID, nor is it good for anything other than as a supporting identity document to go along with primary or secondary ID documents in obtaining a valid Texas ID. Note: you can't get a LTC without a valid ID. My vote for largest voter fraud was 2000, of course no one would call it that.
        scarface_74 1y ago
        No, a student ID requires a valid identification which can be from their home state. But a student is allowed to vote in the state where they are attending college or their home state. But not both. Of course Texas did everything possible to make it harder for college students to vote https://www.texastribune.org/2022/10/28/texas-young-voter-turnout-access/ https://www.texastribune.org/2022/10/28/texas-young-voter-tu...

1659447091 1y ago

> to places like Texas make gun permits a legal form of ID and not student IDs. A student ID does not require the holder to get both a state and FBI background check. Besides the background checks, obtaining a license to carry (Texas gun permit) also requires an ID that could be used for voting itself. Student IDs, not so much. Also, I think people really underestimate the number of Democrat leaning gun owners in Texas. There are far more relevant examples to use, including cost and difficultly navigating bureaucracy for obtaining documents. Throwing that Texas example in there weakens the argument and I really wish people would stop so the real arguments can be taken seriously.

scarface_74 1y ago
To get a student ID, you have to have a government ID from your home state or a passport. You don’t think schools just take your word for it as they allow you to use their services that cost tens of thousands a year?
- 1659447091 1y ago
  Community colleges also issue student IDs Forgery is far more simple for those than a LTC
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    Absolutely no one is forging an ID to vote. This is the percentage of voter fraud found in the US by the conservative Heritsge foundation. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-widespread-is-election-fraud-in-the-united-states-not-very/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-widespread-is-electio... The largest voter fraud ever attempted in the US was actually 2020 with the Republican fake electors.
    - 1659447091 1y ago
      I meant forgery to obtain a student id vs a LTC. I think you are misunderstanding my intent here. The student ID thing is a weak argument. If they need a government issue ID/passport to get a student ID -- then so what if a student ID is not allowed? They already have a valid ID to vote with. It's a distraction. Texas has been doing trumpism since before trump was a thing. Allowing LTC but not student ID does 2 things only and neither has to do with voting; it pisses off people not in their camp and being a valid Texas state ID keeps in line with using a valid Texas ID in places where that is used (not only voting). A student ID is not a valid Texas state ID (voting or otherwise). Stating that LTC is okay and not a student ID specifically for voting is them trolling and you are falling right into it. It's getting people caught up on something that seems like it's done to disadvantage one side, but really a student ID is simply not a valid Texas ID, nor is it good for anything other than as a supporting identity document to go along with primary or secondary ID documents in obtaining a valid Texas ID. Note: you can't get a LTC without a valid ID. My vote for largest voter fraud was 2000, of course no one would call it that.
      - scarface_74 1y ago
        No, a student ID requires a valid identification which can be from their home state. But a student is allowed to vote in the state where they are attending college or their home state. But not both. Of course Texas did everything possible to make it harder for college students to vote https://www.texastribune.org/2022/10/28/texas-young-voter-turnout-access/ https://www.texastribune.org/2022/10/28/texas-young-voter-tu...