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Yeah, we really have very little idea indeed of what the immediate pre-Columbian population of America was. There was an academic consensus for generations tha

by kragen 1y ago

Yeah, we really have very little idea indeed of what the immediate pre-Columbian population of America was. There was an academic consensus for generations that it was pretty sparse, but there's some strong new evidence that it wasn't, so there's a whole big debate going on now. Of course it's a highly politicized issue! I think https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_the_Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_the_In... isn't up to date, but it is a decent introduction to the debate.

WalterBright 1y ago
The estimates I've seen, just for North America, range from 12m to 120m, though the latter number is absurd.
- kragen 1y ago
  Yeah, both ends of that range are way too high for North America, but about right for America as a whole. You could imagine a civilization that fed 100 million or even 600 million people on food raised on North American arable land, and in fact such a civilization actually exists today, feeding about 600 million people; North America is a net exporter of food, and its population is about 592 million. Currently that's being done with industrial agriculture mining phosphate rock and fixing most of its nitrogen with the Haber–Bosch process because that is far less labor-intensive than the alternatives, but some varieties of biointensive cultivation are actually almost competitive with current industrial agriculture when you measure by yield per acre instead of yield per hour of work. However, biointensive agriculture didn't exist 500 years ago any more than the Haber–Bosch process did, there's no archæological evidence there for such dense populations, and as far as I know no mainstream archæologist suggests a pre-Columbian population of North America anywhere close to 100 million.

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Yeah, we really have very little idea indeed of what the immediate pre-Columbian population of America was. There was an academic consensus for generations tha

by kragen 1y ago

WalterBright 1y ago
The estimates I've seen, just for North America, range from 12m to 120m, though the latter number is absurd.
- kragen 1y ago
  Yeah, both ends of that range are way too high for North America, but about right for America as a whole. You could imagine a civilization that fed 100 million or even 600 million people on food raised on North American arable land, and in fact such a civilization actually exists today, feeding about 600 million people; North America is a net exporter of food, and its population is about 592 million. Currently that's being done with industrial agriculture mining phosphate rock and fixing most of its nitrogen with the Haber–Bosch process because that is far less labor-intensive than the alternatives, but some varieties of biointensive cultivation are actually almost competitive with current industrial agriculture when you measure by yield per acre instead of yield per hour of work. However, biointensive agriculture didn't exist 500 years ago any more than the Haber–Bosch process did, there's no archæological evidence there for such dense populations, and as far as I know no mainstream archæologist suggests a pre-Columbian population of North America anywhere close to 100 million.