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"Anna’s Archive itself has organized some of the largest scrapes: we acquired tens of millions of files from IA Controlled Digital Lending" Not really helping
by justin66 1y ago
"Anna’s Archive itself has organized some of the largest scrapes: we acquired tens of millions of files from IA Controlled Digital Lending"
Not really helping in the big picture, here, guys.
- Palomides 1y agoyeah, that's a really unfortunate shoutout that's going to be brought up in court.
- om8 1y agoWhy? They acquired books, that’s what they do
- kleiba 1y agoThe OP is referring to the ongoing legal struggles the IA is facing wrt. to their version of an online library (with digital book lending).
- justin66 1y agoPrecisely. To be clear, I don't agree with a comment upthread saying the "shoutout" is what might potentially do harm to the IA in court. I think the actual act of having scraped all those books from the IA's lending system could potentially do harm to the IA in court. The publishers can now point to all the copies of the books in the wild that IA had in their lending system and argue that IA's system is not legally acceptable. It was on shaky enough ground already.
- Nemo_bis 1y agoI believe this was already brought up in the court proceedings, and Brewster Kahle already addressed it in April 2024: «Trying to blow protections we have put on files, for instance, does not help us– and usually hurts». https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1bswhdj/comment/kxm65da/ https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1bswhdj/commen...
- account42 1y agoIA lending books with "weak" DRM also hurts efforts in reducing DRM and reforming copyright though and that is much more important in the long term. It was always a deal with the devil that IA should have never made and them now being at odds with others that preserve those books and actually make them available only makes that more clear. It's like a food kitchen under a tyrannical regime complaining that people passing their food to rebels might get them shut down.
- immibis 1y agoThe shout-out is evidence of the act.
- om8 1y agoOh, ok. Thanks, I agree
- xvector 1y agoSuper selfish of Anna's Archive to mention this. "Look what we did!" with zero thought to the consequences for others.
- bigyabai 1y ago> the consequences for others. The only people facing consequences are the license-holders. Online lending libraries aren't missing a copy now that AA archived it, and there's not really a substantial cost to the hosters in network bandwidth. Am I missing something here? As a user I don't empathize with anyone but the archivers.
- gattilorenz 1y agoIA can be painted in court as an “unwilling enabler” of something like Anna’s Archive, instead of a regular library
- paradox460 1y agoIf I go to the public library, check out a movie on disc, back it up, and share the back up file online, is my public library legally liable
- californical 1y agoDepends a bit probably if your local library has major lawsuits for operating in a very sketchy side of the legal gray area
- account42 1y agoMaybe your library shouldn't have made choices that put it at odds with the data preservation community then.
- californical 1y ago
- userbinator 1y agoPeople have likely already been mirroring it quietly for years. IRL, "scanparties" used to be a thing if you were in the "bookz scene" around the turn of the century. (Where you and a small group of others go to a public library, hit the limits of your library cards and often clear out entire sections of shelves focused around a particular topic, meet someplace to scan/"cam" everything you borrowed as quickly as you can for processing and uploading in the near future, then return them all within a few days, and repeat this until you get bored or have other things to do.)
- skarz 1y agoI used to do that with blurays when I was uploading releases to TPB.