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If the alternative is death then yes. Five minutes well spent.

• QuercusMax 1y ago
  ...talk about missing the point. It should not take 5 minutes of extra walking to cross the street here. The extra time is itself causing a dangerous situation.
  • jjulius 1y ago
    >...talk about missing the point. Why is this an either/or? Can't someone who believes that spending an additional five minutes to cross the street at a theoretically-safer point also believe that the street could be designed to support pedestrians more safely?
    • QuercusMax 1y ago
      That's why I say it's missing the point. Calling for personal responsibility in the face of clear civic irresponsibility is not a way to run a society.
      • jjulius 1y ago
        But one can call for both at the same time. We're perfectly capable of calling for civic responsibility as we exercise good personal responsibility in the face of civic irresponsibility.
        • QuercusMax 1y ago
          If a 10-year-old cannot safely cross a road safely in a reasonable amount of time, no amount of personal responsibility can help with this. You're asking for too much from individuals. That's what I'm saying is missing the point.