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Kind of... the fact that they have the actual data behind a "soft" paywall (waiting times and terribly slow transfers otherwise) makes me a bit skeptic of their

Kind of... the fact that they have the actual data behind a "soft" paywall (waiting times and terribly slow transfers otherwise) makes me a bit skeptic of their "goodwill".

mattl 1y ago
Bandwidth isn’t free of charge
- bibelo 1y ago
  and hosting
- immibis 1y ago
  Especially the type of bandwidth where you can host felony contempts of business model without getting a life sentence.
0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago
Their backdoor plan to get rich! Not going to fool me this time VCs!! Everyone involved is taking on significant personal liability and hosting expenses. Not sure what more you expect.
- klik99 1y ago
  Yes spot on, crazy that asking for an optional pittance for less bandwidth throttling on such a huge and risky project can be seen as exploitative.
SimianSci 1y ago
No such thing as free when bandwidth costs money. Any service online that is handing out things for free without restriction is getting their return through scrupulus means and shouldnt be trusted. Anna's Archive straddles the line enough to allow people to download books for free but not at too great an expense to the volunteers who pay out of pocket to support the project.
- Vektorceraptor 1y ago
  So what about the authors and creators of the works? They did it for free?
  - AIPedant 1y ago
    Information and well-crafted sentences are available on the Language Tree, easily plucked by anyone at zero cost. It's greedy for those so-called novelists and subject matter experts to expect a living wage. "Information wants to be free," which means that any cost of producing that information can be abstracted away due to ideological inconvenience.
    - Vektorceraptor 1y ago
      Then show me the easily available "information on the langauge tree" to solve the unsolved problems in science. Btw. books are not mere information, they are also products of effort and sacrifice and intentions. They are also embedded in an economic system of paper, books, ink, transport and what not producers. So you are either poor or too lazy to buy a book from the store. But this doesn't justify mind theft or it's distribution.
      - AIPedant 1y ago
        My comment was sarcastic.
  - slt2021 1y ago
    they already work almost for free, since all the money goes to the publisher and retailer. out of $20 book, the authors earn about $1 - $1.5, for e-books its about $1.7 - $2 The value from book sales goes to retailer and publisher: two large corporations, and in case of amazon - a single big corporation so please cry me a river about amazon's lost profits earned at the back of the book authors
    - Aerroon 1y ago
exe34 1y ago
you should ask for a refund!
nulld3v 1y ago
I believe you only hit the paywall when you try to use the search engine & download individual files. They still offer the underlying data for free archival/mirroring via torrents.

Kind of... the fact that they have the actual data behind a "soft" paywall (waiting times and terribly slow transfers otherwise) makes me a bit skeptic of their "goodwill".

mattl 1y ago

Bandwidth isn’t free of charge

bibelo 1y ago
and hosting
immibis 1y ago
Especially the type of bandwidth where you can host felony contempts of business model without getting a life sentence.

0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago

Their backdoor plan to get rich! Not going to fool me this time VCs!! Everyone involved is taking on significant personal liability and hosting expenses. Not sure what more you expect.

klik99 1y ago
Yes spot on, crazy that asking for an optional pittance for less bandwidth throttling on such a huge and risky project can be seen as exploitative.

SimianSci 1y ago

No such thing as free when bandwidth costs money. Any service online that is handing out things for free without restriction is getting their return through scrupulus means and shouldnt be trusted. Anna's Archive straddles the line enough to allow people to download books for free but not at too great an expense to the volunteers who pay out of pocket to support the project.

Vektorceraptor 1y ago
So what about the authors and creators of the works? They did it for free?
- AIPedant 1y ago
  Information and well-crafted sentences are available on the Language Tree, easily plucked by anyone at zero cost. It's greedy for those so-called novelists and subject matter experts to expect a living wage. "Information wants to be free," which means that any cost of producing that information can be abstracted away due to ideological inconvenience.
  - Vektorceraptor 1y ago
    Then show me the easily available "information on the langauge tree" to solve the unsolved problems in science. Btw. books are not mere information, they are also products of effort and sacrifice and intentions. They are also embedded in an economic system of paper, books, ink, transport and what not producers. So you are either poor or too lazy to buy a book from the store. But this doesn't justify mind theft or it's distribution.
    - AIPedant 1y ago
      My comment was sarcastic.
- slt2021 1y ago
  they already work almost for free, since all the money goes to the publisher and retailer. out of $20 book, the authors earn about $1 - $1.5, for e-books its about $1.7 - $2 The value from book sales goes to retailer and publisher: two large corporations, and in case of amazon - a single big corporation so please cry me a river about amazon's lost profits earned at the back of the book authors
  - Aerroon 1y ago

exe34 1y ago

you should ask for a refund!

nulld3v 1y ago

I believe you only hit the paywall when you try to use the search engine & download individual files. They still offer the underlying data for free archival/mirroring via torrents.