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You're being very unfair to the article paraphrasing it this way. If you'd read it with a bit more of an open mind, you'd have understood why leeches work for s

by lolc 1y ago

You're being very unfair to the article paraphrasing it this way. If you'd read it with a bit more of an open mind, you'd have understood why leeches work for some treatments.

troupo 1y ago
This is the first third of the article: --- start quote --- "Men would rather pop Viagra forever than let a leech near their body,” Dr. Andrei Dokukin says. Dokukin, an alcoholic in recovery, received leech therapy himself to treat his liver cirrhosis. Dokukin tried hirudotherapy at the behest of his mother back in Russia, where it remains common practice. Five years later, he claims that his liver has fully compensated Leeches have been used across centuries and cultures to treat a litany of conditions <list of different disparate conditions>. The problem, however, is that we don’t know just how well they work. Despite leeches’ having gained FDA approval as a medical instrument in 2004, a frustrating lack of clinical evidence persists. Still, it would be a mistake to write off leech therapy as an ancient tradition of little worth. Many highly beneficial modern treatments, from bacteriophage therapy to cancer drugs, began their journey as “folk remedies.” --- end quote --- I stopped reading after this lengthy intro. I think my paraphrasing is rather on point. I've now skimmed the rest. There's a very tiny section in "why leech works" that only describes hirudin as anticoagulant. And then the conclusion: "Good remedies back in action" when actual "action" is that at vest it's a coagulant. Oh look. The conclusion: --- start quote --- It may be some time before we can come up with robust evidence for the efficacy and safety of leech therapy. But that is not the crux of this story. People all over the world continue to use this treatment even in the absence of clinical evidence. It is mostly patients in the West who lose out. --- end quote --- Right. I have a set of healing crystals to sell to you
- lolc 1y ago
  Yes those quotes do not reflect well on the article. You still missed the part where leeches are used to help with tissue transplants. Regarding your jab at the end: In my view it's fraud to sell healing crystals if you don‘t think they are. Otherwise it's just mistaken.
  - troupo 1y ago
    > Yes those quotes do not reflect well on the article. And that's 90% of the article > You still missed the part where leeches are used to help with tissue transplants. Quote from my post: "There's a very tiny section in "why leech works" that only describes hirudin as anticoagulant." That's it, that is the only thing that works in leaches. And in the same section about tissue transplants they literally talk about risk of infection, for example. And yet the entire aticle is literally "we have no evidence if they work for all the other use cases, but who cares, the west is missing out in this good remedy". > In my view it's fraud to sell healing crystals if you don‘t think they are. It's fraud to sell non-working medicine even if you think it's working.

by lolc 1y ago

You're being very unfair to the article paraphrasing it this way. If you'd read it with a bit more of an open mind, you'd have understood why leeches work for some treatments.

troupo 1y ago

This is the first third of the article: --- start quote --- "Men would rather pop Viagra forever than let a leech near their body,” Dr. Andrei Dokukin says. Dokukin, an alcoholic in recovery, received leech therapy himself to treat his liver cirrhosis. Dokukin tried hirudotherapy at the behest of his mother back in Russia, where it remains common practice. Five years later, he claims that his liver has fully compensated Leeches have been used across centuries and cultures to treat a litany of conditions <list of different disparate conditions>. The problem, however, is that we don’t know just how well they work. Despite leeches’ having gained FDA approval as a medical instrument in 2004, a frustrating lack of clinical evidence persists. Still, it would be a mistake to write off leech therapy as an ancient tradition of little worth. Many highly beneficial modern treatments, from bacteriophage therapy to cancer drugs, began their journey as “folk remedies.” --- end quote --- I stopped reading after this lengthy intro. I think my paraphrasing is rather on point. I've now skimmed the rest. There's a very tiny section in "why leech works" that only describes hirudin as anticoagulant. And then the conclusion: "Good remedies back in action" when actual "action" is that at vest it's a coagulant. Oh look. The conclusion: --- start quote --- It may be some time before we can come up with robust evidence for the efficacy and safety of leech therapy. But that is not the crux of this story. People all over the world continue to use this treatment even in the absence of clinical evidence. It is mostly patients in the West who lose out. --- end quote --- Right. I have a set of healing crystals to sell to you

lolc 1y ago
Yes those quotes do not reflect well on the article. You still missed the part where leeches are used to help with tissue transplants. Regarding your jab at the end: In my view it's fraud to sell healing crystals if you don‘t think they are. Otherwise it's just mistaken.
- troupo 1y ago
  > Yes those quotes do not reflect well on the article. And that's 90% of the article > You still missed the part where leeches are used to help with tissue transplants. Quote from my post: "There's a very tiny section in "why leech works" that only describes hirudin as anticoagulant." That's it, that is the only thing that works in leaches. And in the same section about tissue transplants they literally talk about risk of infection, for example. And yet the entire aticle is literally "we have no evidence if they work for all the other use cases, but who cares, the west is missing out in this good remedy". > In my view it's fraud to sell healing crystals if you don‘t think they are. It's fraud to sell non-working medicine even if you think it's working.