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As someone who's converted (unintentionally) a few people from Windows to Mac machines, I will say for most people there's less barriers these days. Lots of peo

As someone who's converted (unintentionally) a few people from Windows to Mac machines, I will say for most people there's less barriers these days. Lots of people use these machines as glorified Chromebooks anyway. So it really comes down to price, if they like how it looks, etc.

hangonhn 1y ago
Glorified Chromebook at this price point can be a game changer for some enterprises. We do use Chromebooks for our line employees but for our engineers, etc. we use Macbook Pros. I'm sure our IT would appreciate it if we standardized on all Macs.
spogbiper 1y ago
Why not just turn their existing PC into a Chromebook then? ChomeOS Flex works pretty well in my experience. https://chromeos.google/products/chromeos-flex/ https://chromeos.google/products/chromeos-flex/
bena 1y ago
As a developer, I like Mac OSX. It seems to be a fair compromise. It has a decent window manager, the finder is excellent, and if I need to I can drop into a terminal and do what I need to.
- stronglikedan 1y ago
  The cool thing about Win10 is that I can do all that as well, but with third party tools of my choosing. Not saying OSX is limited - just saying I can do the same in Win10, in multiple ways. I work with both, and will always choose to work with Win over Mac. Maybe if Mac had got their shit together with the keyboard (swapped ctrl and super key) from the start I may have switched. Shame they isolated so many potential users with that boneheaded move.
  - pulvinar 1y ago
    >Maybe if Mac had got their shit together with the keyboard (swapped ctrl and super key) The command key has always been where it is. And it works quite nicely there, being under your left thumb, allowing you to type common commands from rest position in one stroke. The Windows/super key came 10 years later, the swapping being Microsoft's choice.
jmkni 1y ago
I have a base m2 macbook air I got a while ago for travelling, and I regularly use it for coding. At one point I even had to install XCode onto it to release an emergency bug fix for an iOS app while on holiday, and it worked fine (just a bit slow). It's definitely not a glorified chromebook, really interested to see how the $599 model performs
hellojesus 1y ago
Do you get any pushback from users when it comes to the forced apple id to be able to use the computer or do updates? I recently tried my former m1 air for the first time in a couple years, but the forced apple id to be able to even use the hardware soured my taste. That combined with the $99/year fee for development (vs one-time $35 fee for android) convinced me it wasn't worth my time, and I sold it. Windows tries to do this, but you can at least bypass it with a pro version and a simple command during setup.
- wmf 1y ago
  I don't think an Apple ID is required for updates. It's easier to skip the Apple ID than it is on Windows.
  - hellojesus 1y ago
    I just looked it up, and you're correct. I must have misinterpreted its messages to me, or maybe it was the one-prompt-too many for it as I was using it that got to me. Edit: I think I remember now. As I was using the terminal it was asking me to allow it to access directories as I was cd-ing into them. That forced use of the mouse was too much, even if there was probably a trivial way to disable it.
    - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
      You can grant full disk access to the Terminal app in System Settings to prevent those permission dialogs. They’re in place by default to reduce effectiveness of people being socially engineered to paste in malicious commands.
      - hellojesus 1y ago
        Thanks. I understand the motivation for them being there. I think I'm just too old for it or something. The danger is the fun. Ive noticed many games these days disable alt+f4. I consider it the same weird guardrail. The enjoyment is tricking people into doing things, or having a laugh after having been tricked. It's one really good way to make folks learn. But also it can be bad. I get it. I'm just old.

hangonhn 1y ago

Glorified Chromebook at this price point can be a game changer for some enterprises. We do use Chromebooks for our line employees but for our engineers, etc. we use Macbook Pros. I'm sure our IT would appreciate it if we standardized on all Macs.

spogbiper 1y ago

Why not just turn their existing PC into a Chromebook then? ChomeOS Flex works pretty well in my experience. https://chromeos.google/products/chromeos-flex/ https://chromeos.google/products/chromeos-flex/

bena 1y ago

As a developer, I like Mac OSX. It seems to be a fair compromise. It has a decent window manager, the finder is excellent, and if I need to I can drop into a terminal and do what I need to.

stronglikedan 1y ago
The cool thing about Win10 is that I can do all that as well, but with third party tools of my choosing. Not saying OSX is limited - just saying I can do the same in Win10, in multiple ways. I work with both, and will always choose to work with Win over Mac. Maybe if Mac had got their shit together with the keyboard (swapped ctrl and super key) from the start I may have switched. Shame they isolated so many potential users with that boneheaded move.
- pulvinar 1y ago
  >Maybe if Mac had got their shit together with the keyboard (swapped ctrl and super key) The command key has always been where it is. And it works quite nicely there, being under your left thumb, allowing you to type common commands from rest position in one stroke. The Windows/super key came 10 years later, the swapping being Microsoft's choice.

jmkni 1y ago

I have a base m2 macbook air I got a while ago for travelling, and I regularly use it for coding. At one point I even had to install XCode onto it to release an emergency bug fix for an iOS app while on holiday, and it worked fine (just a bit slow). It's definitely not a glorified chromebook, really interested to see how the $599 model performs

hellojesus 1y ago

Do you get any pushback from users when it comes to the forced apple id to be able to use the computer or do updates? I recently tried my former m1 air for the first time in a couple years, but the forced apple id to be able to even use the hardware soured my taste. That combined with the $99/year fee for development (vs one-time $35 fee for android) convinced me it wasn't worth my time, and I sold it. Windows tries to do this, but you can at least bypass it with a pro version and a simple command during setup.

wmf 1y ago
I don't think an Apple ID is required for updates. It's easier to skip the Apple ID than it is on Windows.
- hellojesus 1y ago
  I just looked it up, and you're correct. I must have misinterpreted its messages to me, or maybe it was the one-prompt-too many for it as I was using it that got to me. Edit: I think I remember now. As I was using the terminal it was asking me to allow it to access directories as I was cd-ing into them. That forced use of the mouse was too much, even if there was probably a trivial way to disable it.
  - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
    You can grant full disk access to the Terminal app in System Settings to prevent those permission dialogs. They’re in place by default to reduce effectiveness of people being socially engineered to paste in malicious commands.
    - hellojesus 1y ago
      Thanks. I understand the motivation for them being there. I think I'm just too old for it or something. The danger is the fun. Ive noticed many games these days disable alt+f4. I consider it the same weird guardrail. The enjoyment is tricking people into doing things, or having a laugh after having been tricked. It's one really good way to make folks learn. But also it can be bad. I get it. I'm just old.