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I'm not seeing what's supposed to be so horrible about the spot. I fairly regularly cross worse near home, it's something that demands caution and is completel

I'm not seeing what's supposed to be so horrible about the spot. I fairly regularly cross worse near home, it's something that demands caution and is completely impossible during rush hour, but the only part of it that worries me is the central median is simply painted, no physical reality and thus does not preclude danger from bad left turners. (Now, if your vision is flawed it becomes quite another matter. Figuring out how much time you have before that oncoming car gets there requires decent vision--but a driver must make a pretty similar judgement every time they make an unprotected left turn.)

com2kid 1y ago
Have you ever spent time in a city designed for people first? Lanes are narrow, forcing cars to go slowly. Side walks are large[1], stop signs, roundabouts, or even curves in the road, exist to force drivers to pay attention to their surroundings and not just speed straight ahead. > it's something that demands caution and is completely impossible during rush hour, Cities should be safe for people all day and night. "Can't go out now, too many cars" shouldn't ever be a thing. My city (Seattle) is working hard on ensuring 0 pedestrian deaths (they were doing good on this goal up until this year), and a driver it is super annoying. As soon as I get out of my car I appreciate the changes that are being made to the city. [1] I actually saw some exceptions to this in Spain where the side walks were level with the road and there was just so much foot traffic that cars obviously came second in importance to people. I've seen similar design principles in China as well. Really narrow one way streets with only a few feet of set back from the road, lots of foot traffic and the occasional slow moving car.
- LorenPechtel 1y ago
  Yeah, the cars just speed ahead. I assume they aren't going to see me, I wait until there's a gap where I can cross without requiring the drivers to stop.
deepsun 1y ago
Let me exaggerate for comparison. We don't allow dangerous playgrounds with sharp edges, even though "no one designed them to kill children". We force designers to make them safe (or build a fence around dangerous places, so they cannot go to a store through it).

com2kid 1y ago

Have you ever spent time in a city designed for people first? Lanes are narrow, forcing cars to go slowly. Side walks are large[1], stop signs, roundabouts, or even curves in the road, exist to force drivers to pay attention to their surroundings and not just speed straight ahead. > it's something that demands caution and is completely impossible during rush hour, Cities should be safe for people all day and night. "Can't go out now, too many cars" shouldn't ever be a thing. My city (Seattle) is working hard on ensuring 0 pedestrian deaths (they were doing good on this goal up until this year), and a driver it is super annoying. As soon as I get out of my car I appreciate the changes that are being made to the city. [1] I actually saw some exceptions to this in Spain where the side walks were level with the road and there was just so much foot traffic that cars obviously came second in importance to people. I've seen similar design principles in China as well. Really narrow one way streets with only a few feet of set back from the road, lots of foot traffic and the occasional slow moving car.

LorenPechtel 1y ago
Yeah, the cars just speed ahead. I assume they aren't going to see me, I wait until there's a gap where I can cross without requiring the drivers to stop.

deepsun 1y ago

Let me exaggerate for comparison. We don't allow dangerous playgrounds with sharp edges, even though "no one designed them to kill children". We force designers to make them safe (or build a fence around dangerous places, so they cannot go to a store through it).