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Always good to remember people of this. But not just AI bots or interfaces. Everything is saved and never deleted. Remember Facebook? "We will never delete an

by roscas 1y ago

Always good to remember people of this. But not just AI bots or interfaces. Everything is saved and never deleted. Remember Facebook? "We will never delete anything" that is their business. So anything that you put on those "services" is gone out of your hands. But we still have an option, is to stop using these ads company and let them die. Back to AI, there are loads of offline models we can use. Many like Ollama that will even download it. Install Ollama, on the ollama site find a model name and "ollama run model-name" and you can use it. Ok, it is not as chatgpt5 but it can help you so much, that you might not even need chatgpt.

notpushkin 1y ago
> Always good to remember people of this. You mean “remind”?
Phemist 1y ago
Indeed, and asking facebook to delete the data or to not use it for AI training is just another data point indicating you care about it. Your preferences will eventually be stripped through redesigns, refactors, careless usage or facebooks crooked idea of consent. The data will remain and be used again.
- lowwave 1y ago
  It is better to NOT delete facebook, but spam your profile with other data and just leave it.
  - actionfromafar 1y ago
    And/or change friends to random spam accounts first, then unfriend your real friends.
  - Phemist 1y ago
    Maybe, but that depends on facebook's ability to filter that data.. The filtering should be be easy for my inactive-for-10-years FB account that suddenly uploads a bunch of garbage data. Mixing in genuine data seems antithetical especially considering the garbage may be filtered out.
    - kibwen 1y ago
      Ironically, this is a completely uncontroversial use case where AI excels.
  - everybodyknows 1y ago
    This, BTW, is the only way, last I checked, to at all obfuscate Zillow's listing photos of the inside of a house that you have since bought. No multi-delete.
lm28469 1y ago
That's why you should use multiple accounts and bullshit about 30% of what you post. LLMs are godsent for that, they poison their own well.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  I assume that companies like Facebook know pretty well which accounts are really the same person. Even if you are careful about keeping cookies in separate browser profiles, your machine can be fingerprinted, your posting habits and writing style can be fingerprinted, and Facebook/Google have the resources to do it.
  - deleted 1y ago
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- mgh2 1y ago
  The risk are the externalities to actual users who don't know the difference and get affected by your 30% bs
Forgeties79 1y ago
I recently set up LM Studio and have run open AI's 20b model locally using an AMD 9070 + 9800x3d. I honestly assumed it would be way more work than it was to set it up. It has limitations, but given it took me all of 5min and I can easily attach docs for it to reference as it all runs locally...it's fantastic. I've got a Claude model I've been messing with too.
Sophira 1y ago
There are also things like Oobabooga's text-generation-webui[0] which can present a similar interface to ChatGPT for local models. I've had great success in running Qwen3-8B-GGUF[1] on my RTX 2070 SUPER (8GB VRAM) using Oobabooga (everyone just calls it via the author's name, it's much catchier) so this is definitely doable on consumer hardware. Specifically, I run the Q4_K_M model as Oobabooga loads all of its layers into the GPU by default, making it nice and snappy. (Testing has shown that I can actually load up to the Q6_K model before some layers have to be loaded into the CPU, but I have to manually specify that all those layers should be loaded into the GPU, as opposed to leaving it auto-determined.) It does obviously hallucinate more often than ChatGPT does, so care should be taken. That said, it's really nice to have something local. There's a subreddit for running text gen models locally that people might be interested in: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLlama https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLlama [0] https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui [1] https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3-8B-GGUF https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3-8B-GGUF
throwaway29246 1y ago
> Back to AI, there are loads of offline models we can use. Many like Ollama that will even download it. Install Ollama, on the ollama site find a model name and "ollama run model-name" and you can use it. A privilege that is limited to the top 1%. It may come as a surprise, but most people don't have 32GB of VRAM [0]. The rest of us with normal people hardware are stuck with AI cloud providers or good old searching, which is a lot harder now that those same AI providers have ruined search results. [0] There are some lightweight models you can run on normal people hardware, but they are just too unreliable even for casual usage and are likely to waste more of your time than they save.
dylan604 1y ago
Facebook doesn't just get data from direct input from users though. So if people stop using FB, that's a good first step, that does not stop the firehose of data.
2d520075 1y ago
It would be more apt if this was a "Concerned Citizens of <city-name>" facebook group, not ycombinator's Hackernews. If you are here and you require this reminder I would like to think that you are very lost.

by roscas 1y ago

notpushkin 1y ago

> Always good to remember people of this. You mean “remind”?

Phemist 1y ago

Indeed, and asking facebook to delete the data or to not use it for AI training is just another data point indicating you care about it. Your preferences will eventually be stripped through redesigns, refactors, careless usage or facebooks crooked idea of consent. The data will remain and be used again.

lowwave 1y ago
It is better to NOT delete facebook, but spam your profile with other data and just leave it.
- actionfromafar 1y ago
  And/or change friends to random spam accounts first, then unfriend your real friends.
- Phemist 1y ago
  Maybe, but that depends on facebook's ability to filter that data.. The filtering should be be easy for my inactive-for-10-years FB account that suddenly uploads a bunch of garbage data. Mixing in genuine data seems antithetical especially considering the garbage may be filtered out.
  - kibwen 1y ago
    Ironically, this is a completely uncontroversial use case where AI excels.
- everybodyknows 1y ago
  This, BTW, is the only way, last I checked, to at all obfuscate Zillow's listing photos of the inside of a house that you have since bought. No multi-delete.

lm28469 1y ago

That's why you should use multiple accounts and bullshit about 30% of what you post. LLMs are godsent for that, they poison their own well.

SoftTalker 1y ago
I assume that companies like Facebook know pretty well which accounts are really the same person. Even if you are careful about keeping cookies in separate browser profiles, your machine can be fingerprinted, your posting habits and writing style can be fingerprinted, and Facebook/Google have the resources to do it.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
mgh2 1y ago
The risk are the externalities to actual users who don't know the difference and get affected by your 30% bs

Forgeties79 1y ago

I recently set up LM Studio and have run open AI's 20b model locally using an AMD 9070 + 9800x3d. I honestly assumed it would be way more work than it was to set it up. It has limitations, but given it took me all of 5min and I can easily attach docs for it to reference as it all runs locally...it's fantastic. I've got a Claude model I've been messing with too.

Sophira 1y ago

There are also things like Oobabooga's text-generation-webui[0] which can present a similar interface to ChatGPT for local models. I've had great success in running Qwen3-8B-GGUF[1] on my RTX 2070 SUPER (8GB VRAM) using Oobabooga (everyone just calls it via the author's name, it's much catchier) so this is definitely doable on consumer hardware. Specifically, I run the Q4_K_M model as Oobabooga loads all of its layers into the GPU by default, making it nice and snappy. (Testing has shown that I can actually load up to the Q6_K model before some layers have to be loaded into the CPU, but I have to manually specify that all those layers should be loaded into the GPU, as opposed to leaving it auto-determined.) It does obviously hallucinate more often than ChatGPT does, so care should be taken. That said, it's really nice to have something local. There's a subreddit for running text gen models locally that people might be interested in: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLlama https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLlama [0] https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui [1] https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3-8B-GGUF https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3-8B-GGUF

throwaway29246 1y ago

> Back to AI, there are loads of offline models we can use. Many like Ollama that will even download it. Install Ollama, on the ollama site find a model name and "ollama run model-name" and you can use it. A privilege that is limited to the top 1%. It may come as a surprise, but most people don't have 32GB of VRAM [0]. The rest of us with normal people hardware are stuck with AI cloud providers or good old searching, which is a lot harder now that those same AI providers have ruined search results. [0] There are some lightweight models you can run on normal people hardware, but they are just too unreliable even for casual usage and are likely to waste more of your time than they save.

dylan604 1y ago

Facebook doesn't just get data from direct input from users though. So if people stop using FB, that's a good first step, that does not stop the firehose of data.

2d520075 1y ago

It would be more apt if this was a "Concerned Citizens of <city-name>" facebook group, not ycombinator's Hackernews. If you are here and you require this reminder I would like to think that you are very lost.