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How can you be so sure? There are so many potential reasons.
by grim_io 1y ago
How can you be so sure?
There are so many potential reasons.
- like_any_other 1y agoThat we can't be certain doesn't mean it's not overwhelmingly likely. Don't allow minor uncertainty to cripple your thinking.
- grim_io 1y agoI don't think that jumping to conclusions would somehow un-cripple my thinking. Is it not the other way around. To me, this looks like the typical case of ones world view leaking. So let me leak mine too: If i were to apply Occam's razor, I would more likely assume shame(of ones perceived inadequacy) as a likely factor of not consulting a human. Or, you know, something something government.
- like_any_other 1y ago"Something something government" being: 1. I want to keep a secret. 2. If I share my secret with this person, they are legally bound to reveal it. 3. Therefore I will not share it with this person. There may be additional reasons, but worrying about them is like worrying about a broken leg while your patient is flatlining - utterly useless until you fix the main problem. So yes, your thinking is crippled.
- grim_io 1y agoI will happily continue to think with crutches then :)
- exe34 1y agoit takes an admirable amount of courage to keep flawed thinking when it's pointed out to you!
- grim_io 1y agoThanks. My mom also tells me that I'm very brave! But to get back on track: Someone pointing out some potential flaws in my thinking does not always mean that they are actually there.
- exe34 1y agoq: why won't people open up to therapists? a: because therapists won't keep it to themselves. q: nah that can't be it. why oh why won't people open up to therapists? it'll forever be a mystery.
- grim_io 1y agoAll you are doing is reinforcing my suspicion that your personal trust issues are clouding your world view. Not everyone thinks like you. It may be a shocking revelation.
- exe34 1y agoseveral people have told you what it is on this thread. but you think it must be shame. sounds like you're on to a winner there...
- grim_io 1y agoYou are projecting again. I didn't say that some reason must be it, because we don't know the reason. It is you who is, for some unknown reason, so sure about your guess.
- everforward 1y agoI can't speak to Sophie specifically, but I have known a couple of people who were dishonest with their therapists specifically for fear of mandatory reporting rules. I think both were wrong about meeting the bar for an involuntary in-patient evaluation, but this is nowhere near my expertise. To my understanding, passive suicidal thoughts don't trigger it, only active planning. I don't really have a point here, just sharing anecdata. I have no idea or opinion on what the real tradeoffs here are.
- altairprime 1y agoIt’s certainly how I advise my friends to act with therapists. Get treatment but never forget that they’re an agent of the state rather than your friend, and the state is humiliated by citizens who are suicidal and lashes out at them preemptively to protect its own image. The U.S. health care system is such that being committed is a worse fate guaranteed than the slightly increased risk of losing a friend for not receiving enough therapy. This stance slightly increases the chances of my friends surviving life here, because they’re more likely to confide in me that they need help knowing that I won’t immediately narc on them to the state.
- exe34 1y agocould you perhaps mention 5?