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The Israeli denials in this article should be taken in context. https://xcancel.com/Israel/status/1950259113948070197 https://xcancel.com/Israel/status/1950259

The Israeli denials in this article should be taken in context. https://xcancel.com/Israel/status/1950259113948070197 https://xcancel.com/Israel/status/1950259113948070197 / https://www.instagram.com/p/DMs4qUlInQE/ https://www.instagram.com/p/DMs4qUlInQE/ > 41-year-old Mohammad al-Hasanat didn’t die of starvation — he suffered from untreated diabetes and died from complications of severe hypercatabolism. Starvation causes hypercatabolism; it means your body is eating its own proteins. Statements all the way up to Netanyahu that no starvation is happening in Gaza are deeply, profoundly absurd.

tguvot 1y ago
and sometimes banana is simply banana: Hypercatabolic syndrome (HS) is a biochemical state characterized by increased circulating catabolic hormones (eg, cortisol, catecholamines) and inflammatory cytokines (eg, tumor necrosis factors, interleukin–1β), and decreased anabolic insulin effects with consequent insulin resistance. The most important metabolic consequence of HS is the skeletal and cardiac muscle protein breakdown that releases amino acids (AAs), which in turn supports indispensable body energy requirements but also reduces skeletal and cardiac physiologic and metabolic functions. HS occurs in many diseases such as diabetes mellitus, chronic heart failure, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, renal and liver failure, trauma, sepsis, and senescence
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  From https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18514619/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18514619/ ? The bit you left off is pretty telling: > Macronutrients such as [amino acid] supplements, taken together with conventional therapy, may maintain muscular protein metabolism and cell functions. We're right back at "not enough protein".
  - tguvot 1y ago
    the other guy wrote "Starvation causes hypercatabolism; it means your body is eating its own proteins. ". this is not case of hypercatabolism as result of starvation. this is one of symptoms of diabetes which "may" could help by "amino acid supplements" so we are not back anywhere.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      There is no "other guy". They're both me. > this is not case of hypercatabolism as result of starvation This is an assertion made by the Israeli government, an interested party with a history of lying. "Israel's government denies there is malnutrition in Gaza" is a claim even the Trump administration contests (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62nr9rglm9o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62nr9rglm9o). > this is one of symptoms of diabetes To be clear, they asserted untreated diabetes. Its untreated nature is also something related to the war, Israel having bombed every hospital in Gaza and blockaded all supplies including food. A diabetic's body eating itself in a blockaded war zone with no food or medicine is… unsurprising. Starving people in a slightly roundabout way is still starving people, even if they have existing medical conditions.
      - tguvot 1y ago
        Hypercatabolic syndrome (HS) is a biochemical state characterized by increased circulating catabolic hormones (eg, cortisol, catecholamines) and inflammatory cytokines (eg, tumor necrosis factors, interleukin–1β), and decreased anabolic insulin effects with consequent insulin resistance. nothing to do with starvation. in usa iirc,in usa 20k people died in 2022 or so from malnutrition. were they also in blockaded zone ? or is it just happens so that malnutrition is a complex thing that not always affected by food supply
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        > increased circulating catabolic hormones AKA stress hormones. I wonder why they're stressed? > nothing to do with starvation. I assure you, if you have one of these conditions, piling starvation on top absolutely hurts your chances of survival. > in usa iirc,in usa 20k people died in 2022 or so from malnutrition. were they also in blockaded zone ? Population-wise, that's the equivalent of 170 in Gaza, and the US numbers are largely elderly people; Gaza is 50% minors. Starvation is the openly stated goal of the Israeli government. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250416-israel-says-no-humanitarian-aid-will-enter-gaza https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250416-israel-says-n... > "Israel's policy is clear: no humanitarian aid will enter Gaza, and blocking this aid is one of the main pressure levers preventing Hamas from using it as a tool with the population," [Defense Minister] Katz said in a statement.

tguvot 1y ago

and sometimes banana is simply banana: Hypercatabolic syndrome (HS) is a biochemical state characterized by increased circulating catabolic hormones (eg, cortisol, catecholamines) and inflammatory cytokines (eg, tumor necrosis factors, interleukin–1β), and decreased anabolic insulin effects with consequent insulin resistance. The most important metabolic consequence of HS is the skeletal and cardiac muscle protein breakdown that releases amino acids (AAs), which in turn supports indispensable body energy requirements but also reduces skeletal and cardiac physiologic and metabolic functions. HS occurs in many diseases such as diabetes mellitus, chronic heart failure, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, renal and liver failure, trauma, sepsis, and senescence

ceejayoz 1y ago
From https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18514619/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18514619/ ? The bit you left off is pretty telling: > Macronutrients such as [amino acid] supplements, taken together with conventional therapy, may maintain muscular protein metabolism and cell functions. We're right back at "not enough protein".
- tguvot 1y ago
  the other guy wrote "Starvation causes hypercatabolism; it means your body is eating its own proteins. ". this is not case of hypercatabolism as result of starvation. this is one of symptoms of diabetes which "may" could help by "amino acid supplements" so we are not back anywhere.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    There is no "other guy". They're both me. > this is not case of hypercatabolism as result of starvation This is an assertion made by the Israeli government, an interested party with a history of lying. "Israel's government denies there is malnutrition in Gaza" is a claim even the Trump administration contests (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62nr9rglm9o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62nr9rglm9o). > this is one of symptoms of diabetes To be clear, they asserted untreated diabetes. Its untreated nature is also something related to the war, Israel having bombed every hospital in Gaza and blockaded all supplies including food. A diabetic's body eating itself in a blockaded war zone with no food or medicine is… unsurprising. Starving people in a slightly roundabout way is still starving people, even if they have existing medical conditions.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      Hypercatabolic syndrome (HS) is a biochemical state characterized by increased circulating catabolic hormones (eg, cortisol, catecholamines) and inflammatory cytokines (eg, tumor necrosis factors, interleukin–1β), and decreased anabolic insulin effects with consequent insulin resistance. nothing to do with starvation. in usa iirc,in usa 20k people died in 2022 or so from malnutrition. were they also in blockaded zone ? or is it just happens so that malnutrition is a complex thing that not always affected by food supply
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        > increased circulating catabolic hormones AKA stress hormones. I wonder why they're stressed? > nothing to do with starvation. I assure you, if you have one of these conditions, piling starvation on top absolutely hurts your chances of survival. > in usa iirc,in usa 20k people died in 2022 or so from malnutrition. were they also in blockaded zone ? Population-wise, that's the equivalent of 170 in Gaza, and the US numbers are largely elderly people; Gaza is 50% minors. Starvation is the openly stated goal of the Israeli government. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250416-israel-says-no-humanitarian-aid-will-enter-gaza https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250416-israel-says-n... > "Israel's policy is clear: no humanitarian aid will enter Gaza, and blocking this aid is one of the main pressure levers preventing Hamas from using it as a tool with the population," [Defense Minister] Katz said in a statement.