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Gazan woman flown to Italy dies of malnutrition

38 points by mhga 1y ago

ceejayoz 1y ago
The Israeli denials in this article should be taken in context. https://xcancel.com/Israel/status/1950259113948070197 https://xcancel.com/Israel/status/1950259113948070197 / https://www.instagram.com/p/DMs4qUlInQE/ https://www.instagram.com/p/DMs4qUlInQE/ > 41-year-old Mohammad al-Hasanat didn’t die of starvation — he suffered from untreated diabetes and died from complications of severe hypercatabolism. Starvation causes hypercatabolism; it means your body is eating its own proteins. Statements all the way up to Netanyahu that no starvation is happening in Gaza are deeply, profoundly absurd.
- tguvot 1y ago
  and sometimes banana is simply banana: Hypercatabolic syndrome (HS) is a biochemical state characterized by increased circulating catabolic hormones (eg, cortisol, catecholamines) and inflammatory cytokines (eg, tumor necrosis factors, interleukin–1β), and decreased anabolic insulin effects with consequent insulin resistance. The most important metabolic consequence of HS is the skeletal and cardiac muscle protein breakdown that releases amino acids (AAs), which in turn supports indispensable body energy requirements but also reduces skeletal and cardiac physiologic and metabolic functions. HS occurs in many diseases such as diabetes mellitus, chronic heart failure, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, renal and liver failure, trauma, sepsis, and senescence
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    From https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18514619/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18514619/ ? The bit you left off is pretty telling: > Macronutrients such as [amino acid] supplements, taken together with conventional therapy, may maintain muscular protein metabolism and cell functions. We're right back at "not enough protein".
    - tguvot 1y ago
      the other guy wrote "Starvation causes hypercatabolism; it means your body is eating its own proteins. ". this is not case of hypercatabolism as result of starvation. this is one of symptoms of diabetes which "may" could help by "amino acid supplements" so we are not back anywhere.
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        There is no "other guy". They're both me. > this is not case of hypercatabolism as result of starvation This is an assertion made by the Israeli government, an interested party with a history of lying. "Israel's government denies there is malnutrition in Gaza" is a claim even the Trump administration contests (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62nr9rglm9o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62nr9rglm9o). > this is one of symptoms of diabetes To be clear, they asserted untreated diabetes. Its untreated nature is also something related to the war, Israel having bombed every hospital in Gaza and blockaded all supplies including food. A diabetic's body eating itself in a blockaded war zone with no food or medicine is… unsurprising. Starving people in a slightly roundabout way is still starving people, even if they have existing medical conditions.
        tguvot 1y ago
        Hypercatabolic syndrome (HS) is a biochemical state characterized by increased circulating catabolic hormones (eg, cortisol, catecholamines) and inflammatory cytokines (eg, tumor necrosis factors, interleukin–1β), and decreased anabolic insulin effects with consequent insulin resistance. nothing to do with starvation. in usa iirc,in usa 20k people died in 2022 or so from malnutrition. were they also in blockaded zone ? or is it just happens so that malnutrition is a complex thing that not always affected by food supply
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        > increased circulating catabolic hormones AKA stress hormones. I wonder why they're stressed? > nothing to do with starvation. I assure you, if you have one of these conditions, piling starvation on top absolutely hurts your chances of survival. > in usa iirc,in usa 20k people died in 2022 or so from malnutrition. were they also in blockaded zone ? Population-wise, that's the equivalent of 170 in Gaza, and the US numbers are largely elderly people; Gaza is 50% minors. Starvation is the openly stated goal of the Israeli government. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250416-israel-says-no-humanitarian-aid-will-enter-gaza https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250416-israel-says-n... > "Israel's policy is clear: no humanitarian aid will enter Gaza, and blocking this aid is one of the main pressure levers preventing Hamas from using it as a tool with the population," [Defense Minister] Katz said in a statement.
asdefghyk 1y ago
article says ....she had suffered from leukaemia......???? Then rest of article does not discuss it ... need more analysis it seems....
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  I mean, does it matter? Patients with conditions like leukemia (and children, and the elderly) are going to suffer first from malnutrition. Even if the hospitals hadn't all been blown up.
  - delichon 1y ago
    See "cancer-related cachexia". Malnutrition can be secondary to advanced cancer. It is common in advanced leukemia and lymphoma.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      > Malnutrition can be secondary to advanced cancer. Advanced cancer can be secondary to blown up hospitals.
      - progne 1y ago
        Blown up hospitals can be secondary to firing rockets from the parking lot and using them as ammo dumps and military headquarters. You can take this line of reasoning back to the big bang without addressing the quality of evidence of a severe food shortage.
        cholantesh 1y ago
        They can be, but given how many times Israel's made the assertion only to go "oopsie doodle, our multibillion dollar intelligence apparatus made a boo-boo and it turns out that there actually was not an installation under this civilian infrastructure", this isn't as robust a premise as you think it is. Anyway, the quality of evidence seems to suffice for doctors, NGOs, human rights watchdogs, practically anyone who isn't an Israeli official or an apologist thereof, probably something worth considering.
novateg 1y ago
Israeli government is using famine to kill people in Gaza. It's a genocide, all countries should condemn Israeli government and demand to stop the ethnic cleansing.
- boxed 1y ago
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  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    I mean, we can ask the Israeli government. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/world/middleeast/israel-minister-gaza-driving-out.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/world/middleeast/israel-m... > Amid rising starvation in the Gaza Strip, an Israeli government minister said on Thursday that Israel had no duty to alleviate hunger in the territory and was seeking to expel its population. https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/what-israeli-officials-are-privately-saying-about-starvation-in-gaza https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/what-israeli-official... > For more than two months, the Israeli government blocked humanitarian aid from entering Gaza. On Monday, it allowed in several trucks carrying baby food and other necessities, and on Tuesday it claimed that it had let in ninety-three additional trucks. (The United Nations said that none of Tuesday’s trucks reached their destination, however. Humanitarian organizations, which have been warning of a widespread hunger crisis, estimate that at least five hundred trucks per day are needed.) Or even one of their Prime Ministers: https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-05-27/ty-article-opinion/.premium/enough-is-enough-israel-is-committing-war-crimes/00000197-0dd6-df85-a197-0ff64a5c0000 https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-05-27/ty-article-opinio... > Recent operations in Gaza have nothing to do with legitimate war goals. The government sends our soldiers – and the military obeys – to wander around Gaza City, Jabalya and Khan Yunis neighborhoods in an illegitimate military operation. This is now a private political war. Its immediate result is the transformation of Gaza into a humanitarian disaster area. > What we are doing in Gaza now is a war of devastation: indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians. We're not doing this due to loss of control in any specific sector, not due to some disproportionate outburst by some soldiers in some unit. Rather, it's the result of government policy – knowingly, evilly, maliciously, irresponsibly dictated. Yes, Israel is committing war crimes.
boxed 1y ago
Is the title here editorialized? Or did BBC update their title because the old one was incorrect?
- mhga 1y ago
  It's copied from BBC's post on X It may be editorialized https://x.com/BBCWorld/status/1956791643413094490 https://x.com/BBCWorld/status/1956791643413094490
  - cholantesh 1y ago
    Or alternatively, the subsequent walk-backs are editorialized.
- Fred27m 1y ago
  The changed title is because of something the BBC do repeatedly. - Put up a factually incorrect article accusing Israel of something - Let it sit on the front page for a day or two so a lot of people read it - Take it off the front page and quietly correct it
  - Chris2048 1y ago
    user: Fred27m created: 6 minutes ago karma: 0
    - Fred27m 1y ago
      That's correct. I normally just read but thought I'd comment today. (I might have commented before on an old account but if so I've forgotten the details.) You can clearly see that the BBC edited this headline. I've seen them do this a lot, but whether you believe me or want to investigate further yourself is entirely up to you.
      - Chris2048 1y ago
        Perhaps, but the effect is what would otherwise be called a "throwaway" account.
jdcs 1y ago
The BBC have updated the article, changed the title and removed the X post, but HN wont, alas

38 points by mhga 1y ago

The Israeli denials in this article should be taken in context. https://xcancel.com/Israel/status/1950259113948070197 https://xcancel.com/Israel/status/1950259113948070197 / https://www.instagram.com/p/DMs4qUlInQE/ https://www.instagram.com/p/DMs4qUlInQE/ > 41-year-old Mohammad al-Hasanat didn’t die of starvation — he suffered from untreated diabetes and died from complications of severe hypercatabolism. Starvation causes hypercatabolism; it means your body is eating its own proteins. Statements all the way up to Netanyahu that no starvation is happening in Gaza are deeply, profoundly absurd.

tguvot 1y ago
and sometimes banana is simply banana: Hypercatabolic syndrome (HS) is a biochemical state characterized by increased circulating catabolic hormones (eg, cortisol, catecholamines) and inflammatory cytokines (eg, tumor necrosis factors, interleukin–1β), and decreased anabolic insulin effects with consequent insulin resistance. The most important metabolic consequence of HS is the skeletal and cardiac muscle protein breakdown that releases amino acids (AAs), which in turn supports indispensable body energy requirements but also reduces skeletal and cardiac physiologic and metabolic functions. HS occurs in many diseases such as diabetes mellitus, chronic heart failure, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, renal and liver failure, trauma, sepsis, and senescence
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  From https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18514619/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18514619/ ? The bit you left off is pretty telling: > Macronutrients such as [amino acid] supplements, taken together with conventional therapy, may maintain muscular protein metabolism and cell functions. We're right back at "not enough protein".
  - tguvot 1y ago
    the other guy wrote "Starvation causes hypercatabolism; it means your body is eating its own proteins. ". this is not case of hypercatabolism as result of starvation. this is one of symptoms of diabetes which "may" could help by "amino acid supplements" so we are not back anywhere.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      There is no "other guy". They're both me. > this is not case of hypercatabolism as result of starvation This is an assertion made by the Israeli government, an interested party with a history of lying. "Israel's government denies there is malnutrition in Gaza" is a claim even the Trump administration contests (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62nr9rglm9o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62nr9rglm9o). > this is one of symptoms of diabetes To be clear, they asserted untreated diabetes. Its untreated nature is also something related to the war, Israel having bombed every hospital in Gaza and blockaded all supplies including food. A diabetic's body eating itself in a blockaded war zone with no food or medicine is… unsurprising. Starving people in a slightly roundabout way is still starving people, even if they have existing medical conditions.
      - tguvot 1y ago
        Hypercatabolic syndrome (HS) is a biochemical state characterized by increased circulating catabolic hormones (eg, cortisol, catecholamines) and inflammatory cytokines (eg, tumor necrosis factors, interleukin–1β), and decreased anabolic insulin effects with consequent insulin resistance. nothing to do with starvation. in usa iirc,in usa 20k people died in 2022 or so from malnutrition. were they also in blockaded zone ? or is it just happens so that malnutrition is a complex thing that not always affected by food supply
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        > increased circulating catabolic hormones AKA stress hormones. I wonder why they're stressed? > nothing to do with starvation. I assure you, if you have one of these conditions, piling starvation on top absolutely hurts your chances of survival. > in usa iirc,in usa 20k people died in 2022 or so from malnutrition. were they also in blockaded zone ? Population-wise, that's the equivalent of 170 in Gaza, and the US numbers are largely elderly people; Gaza is 50% minors. Starvation is the openly stated goal of the Israeli government. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250416-israel-says-no-humanitarian-aid-will-enter-gaza https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250416-israel-says-n... > "Israel's policy is clear: no humanitarian aid will enter Gaza, and blocking this aid is one of the main pressure levers preventing Hamas from using it as a tool with the population," [Defense Minister] Katz said in a statement.

asdefghyk 1y ago

article says ....she had suffered from leukaemia......???? Then rest of article does not discuss it ... need more analysis it seems....

ceejayoz 1y ago
I mean, does it matter? Patients with conditions like leukemia (and children, and the elderly) are going to suffer first from malnutrition. Even if the hospitals hadn't all been blown up.
- delichon 1y ago
  See "cancer-related cachexia". Malnutrition can be secondary to advanced cancer. It is common in advanced leukemia and lymphoma.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    > Malnutrition can be secondary to advanced cancer. Advanced cancer can be secondary to blown up hospitals.
    - progne 1y ago
      Blown up hospitals can be secondary to firing rockets from the parking lot and using them as ammo dumps and military headquarters. You can take this line of reasoning back to the big bang without addressing the quality of evidence of a severe food shortage.
      - cholantesh 1y ago
        They can be, but given how many times Israel's made the assertion only to go "oopsie doodle, our multibillion dollar intelligence apparatus made a boo-boo and it turns out that there actually was not an installation under this civilian infrastructure", this isn't as robust a premise as you think it is. Anyway, the quality of evidence seems to suffice for doctors, NGOs, human rights watchdogs, practically anyone who isn't an Israeli official or an apologist thereof, probably something worth considering.

novateg 1y ago

Israeli government is using famine to kill people in Gaza. It's a genocide, all countries should condemn Israeli government and demand to stop the ethnic cleansing.

boxed 1y ago
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- ceejayoz 1y ago
  I mean, we can ask the Israeli government. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/world/middleeast/israel-minister-gaza-driving-out.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/world/middleeast/israel-m... > Amid rising starvation in the Gaza Strip, an Israeli government minister said on Thursday that Israel had no duty to alleviate hunger in the territory and was seeking to expel its population. https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/what-israeli-officials-are-privately-saying-about-starvation-in-gaza https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/what-israeli-official... > For more than two months, the Israeli government blocked humanitarian aid from entering Gaza. On Monday, it allowed in several trucks carrying baby food and other necessities, and on Tuesday it claimed that it had let in ninety-three additional trucks. (The United Nations said that none of Tuesday’s trucks reached their destination, however. Humanitarian organizations, which have been warning of a widespread hunger crisis, estimate that at least five hundred trucks per day are needed.) Or even one of their Prime Ministers: https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-05-27/ty-article-opinion/.premium/enough-is-enough-israel-is-committing-war-crimes/00000197-0dd6-df85-a197-0ff64a5c0000 https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-05-27/ty-article-opinio... > Recent operations in Gaza have nothing to do with legitimate war goals. The government sends our soldiers – and the military obeys – to wander around Gaza City, Jabalya and Khan Yunis neighborhoods in an illegitimate military operation. This is now a private political war. Its immediate result is the transformation of Gaza into a humanitarian disaster area. > What we are doing in Gaza now is a war of devastation: indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians. We're not doing this due to loss of control in any specific sector, not due to some disproportionate outburst by some soldiers in some unit. Rather, it's the result of government policy – knowingly, evilly, maliciously, irresponsibly dictated. Yes, Israel is committing war crimes.

boxed 1y ago

Is the title here editorialized? Or did BBC update their title because the old one was incorrect?

mhga 1y ago
It's copied from BBC's post on X It may be editorialized https://x.com/BBCWorld/status/1956791643413094490 https://x.com/BBCWorld/status/1956791643413094490
- cholantesh 1y ago
  Or alternatively, the subsequent walk-backs are editorialized.
Fred27m 1y ago
The changed title is because of something the BBC do repeatedly. - Put up a factually incorrect article accusing Israel of something - Let it sit on the front page for a day or two so a lot of people read it - Take it off the front page and quietly correct it
- Chris2048 1y ago
  user: Fred27m created: 6 minutes ago karma: 0
  - Fred27m 1y ago
    That's correct. I normally just read but thought I'd comment today. (I might have commented before on an old account but if so I've forgotten the details.) You can clearly see that the BBC edited this headline. I've seen them do this a lot, but whether you believe me or want to investigate further yourself is entirely up to you.
    - Chris2048 1y ago
      Perhaps, but the effect is what would otherwise be called a "throwaway" account.

jdcs 1y ago

The BBC have updated the article, changed the title and removed the X post, but HN wont, alas