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> Anyone who claims there is no difference between the parties at this point is trolling or sufficiently ignorant as to be indistinguishable from a troll. Good

> Anyone who claims there is no difference between the parties at this point is trolling or sufficiently ignorant as to be indistinguishable from a troll. Good thing that's not what I said. Biden dramatically increased Arctic oil drilling, shut down labor strikes, increased police funding and militarization, declared the Covid pandemic over prematurely, deported 4.6 million people (vs Trumps 2 million), reduced protections for lgbtq individuals, and enabled a genocide. > Not have the federal government trying to criminalize their existence. Biden is a big part of why we have "truth in sentencing" and "three strikes" laws. See the 1994 violent crime control and law enforcement act. He's literally one of the poster children for the carceral state. Biden deported over twice as many people as Trump, he eliminated protections for trans youth, he bombed Gaza. Clean air? The man pushed oil drilling. The concessions in the IRA alone will be polluting for generations. You can convince me there are good Democrats, but not Biden. Biden was a right wing politician. One left of Trump, no doubt, but he would fit right in with a Bush or Reagan.

Arainach 1y ago
>shut down labor strikes Biden could have done better about the railroads, but his administation and his appointees increased union protections, dramatically increased enforcement of punishments for union busting, extended overtime wages to huge classes of new workers and more. You're cherry picking things to complain about and again, if you don't think any of the last three Democratic nominees were any good you're not arguing in good faith. Holding out for perfection gets you fascism.
- shazbotter 1y ago
  These are not cherry picked examples. These are meaningful, material regressions in policy that impact communities I'm either in or close to. Quit suggesting they don't matter, or that somehow they are no big deal. Or even worse, suggesting that when I talk about how he hurt my communities I'm somehow "arguing in bad faith." Maybe Biden made your life easier and that makes it hard to see how he sacrificed millions of people to make that happen, but it's not bad faith to express these major policy concerns. And fascism? It didn't come from leftists holding out for perfection. Historically it comes from Liberal (the traditional meaning, not the synonym for democrats) governments not addressing the material needs of their people. Through demagoguery and violence, fascists take over the working class. When the party that used to stand for the working class is pushing austerity and beholden to big business, fascism has no meaningful opponents. Go read some history, what happened here has happened many times in the past, and has nothing to do with purity tests at the ballot box.

Arainach 1y ago

>shut down labor strikes Biden could have done better about the railroads, but his administation and his appointees increased union protections, dramatically increased enforcement of punishments for union busting, extended overtime wages to huge classes of new workers and more. You're cherry picking things to complain about and again, if you don't think any of the last three Democratic nominees were any good you're not arguing in good faith. Holding out for perfection gets you fascism.

shazbotter 1y ago
These are not cherry picked examples. These are meaningful, material regressions in policy that impact communities I'm either in or close to. Quit suggesting they don't matter, or that somehow they are no big deal. Or even worse, suggesting that when I talk about how he hurt my communities I'm somehow "arguing in bad faith." Maybe Biden made your life easier and that makes it hard to see how he sacrificed millions of people to make that happen, but it's not bad faith to express these major policy concerns. And fascism? It didn't come from leftists holding out for perfection. Historically it comes from Liberal (the traditional meaning, not the synonym for democrats) governments not addressing the material needs of their people. Through demagoguery and violence, fascists take over the working class. When the party that used to stand for the working class is pushing austerity and beholden to big business, fascism has no meaningful opponents. Go read some history, what happened here has happened many times in the past, and has nothing to do with purity tests at the ballot box.