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>The browser / web / search / ads thing is insane X does it too. Instagram does it too. TikTok does it too. YouTube does it too. Reddit does it too. LinkedIn d

>The browser / web / search / ads thing is insane X does it too. Instagram does it too. TikTok does it too. YouTube does it too. Reddit does it too. LinkedIn does it too. It's not insane, it's the standard way to monetize a platform. You have an app that takes you to a page to discover content. When discovering content ads are shown. When viewing the content ads are shown from the platform.

echelon 1y ago
Google owns every pane of ingress to the internet. They own the defaults, and that's what matters to 99.9% of normies. They own the web standards and the whole kit and kaboodle. Nevermind app store monopolies, as that's a whole different subject. If I own a brand, I have to pay Google ads to rank for my own brand. Google doesn't like the concept of a "URL bar". It's a search bar. My closet competitors can pay for placement against my trademarked name and there's not a damned thing I can do to stop it. One company should not own all of that surface area. That's practically the whole internet outside of social networks and buying off Amazon. Google just sits there taxing the whole internet. (And half of mobile...) Fixes? Here are a few: 1. Take Chrome away. That's the lynchpin of this racket. 2. Make Google (and Apple) support non-scare wall app installs from the web as a default. No hidden settings menus. (The EU would be great and enforcing this.) Don't let them own login or payments either. 3. Best yet: break the company into pieces. If it was good enough for MaBell, it'll be good enough for Google. It'll be worth more as parts anyway - so much of that value is locked away trying to be the sum of parts. YouTube alone is bigger than Disney and Netflix.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  My previous post lists other ways users can ingress to the internet. Chrome is not the only app that connects to the internet. >If I own a brand, I have to pay Google ads to rank for my own brand Google will still rank your page even without ads. Normal search results are shown after ads. Other platforms as I mentioned before have search ads. This is not a unique thing. >Google just sits there taxing the whole internet. (And half of mobile...) Investing billions of dollars into platforms for other people to build upon for free is not "just sitting there." Unlike other apps like TikTok where the company has to spend resources developing mobile apps, websites can utilize the browser Google is writing. >Take Chrome away. If you remove a platform a similar one will take its place.
  - echelon 1y ago
    > My previous post lists other ways users can ingress to the internet. Chrome is not the only app that connects to the internet. I'm glad the normies will read your post and find other routes of ingress. Defaults and distribution matter. Google has your parents and grandparents on lock. > Investing billions of dollars into platforms for other people to build upon for free is not "just sitting there." They've spent more in stock buybacks. No better way of saying they don't know how to spend the money. It doesn't matter how much the trillion dollar company spent. They're an ecological menace. We need a forest fire to clear away the underbrush and ossification, to create new opportunities for startups and innovation capital. Google is like an invasive species. Like lionfish. They're ruining tech for everyone else, taking far too much meat off the bone across every channel. > Unlike other apps like TikTok where the company has to spend resources developing mobile apps, websites can utilize the browser Google is writing. I wouldn't know because I use Firefox, but on the subject of apps - these are taxed by Google too. > If you remove a platform a similar one will take its place. That's literally the point. Something with less surface area moves in and competes. Companies should face evolutionary pressure constantly. Business should be brutal and painful and hard. Google is so big they'll never feel any pain. That's been bad for the web, for competition, for diverse innovation. Everything just accrues to Google. Not to mention these tech conglomerate oligopolies get to put an upper bounds cap on startups and the IPO market. They get to dump on new companies and buy them on the cheap when they give up. It's easy to threaten to subsidize competition for any new company when you're making hundreds of billions a quarter.
    - charcircuit 1y ago
      >I'm glad the normies will read your post and find other routes of ingress. Some of the apps I listed have billions of users. The normies know about them. >They've spent more in stock buybacks This is moving the goal posts. They still have done a tremendous amount of work creating and maintaining platforms that millions of people are building upon. Companies can always do more, but you can't say that they are doing nothing at all. >these are taxed by Google too. Ad revenue, which makes up the bulk of revenue, is not taxed.
    - terminalshort 1y ago
userbinator 1y ago
X doesn't have its own browser, and neither do Instagram, TikTok, Reddit, nor LinkedIn. YouTube is basically a part of Google, and it's a good example of anticompetition when they deliberately degrade the performance of their site on non-Google browsers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38345858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38345858
- charcircuit 1y ago
  All of them have dedicated mobile apps. X even has a desktop app. These platforms stand on there own and are not trying to replace Chrome. Their apps are for their own platform and not the web platform. Also the post you linked to targeted users of adblockers and affected Chrome users using adblockers.

echelon 1y ago

Google owns every pane of ingress to the internet. They own the defaults, and that's what matters to 99.9% of normies. They own the web standards and the whole kit and kaboodle. Nevermind app store monopolies, as that's a whole different subject. If I own a brand, I have to pay Google ads to rank for my own brand. Google doesn't like the concept of a "URL bar". It's a search bar. My closet competitors can pay for placement against my trademarked name and there's not a damned thing I can do to stop it. One company should not own all of that surface area. That's practically the whole internet outside of social networks and buying off Amazon. Google just sits there taxing the whole internet. (And half of mobile...) Fixes? Here are a few: 1. Take Chrome away. That's the lynchpin of this racket. 2. Make Google (and Apple) support non-scare wall app installs from the web as a default. No hidden settings menus. (The EU would be great and enforcing this.) Don't let them own login or payments either. 3. Best yet: break the company into pieces. If it was good enough for MaBell, it'll be good enough for Google. It'll be worth more as parts anyway - so much of that value is locked away trying to be the sum of parts. YouTube alone is bigger than Disney and Netflix.

charcircuit 1y ago
My previous post lists other ways users can ingress to the internet. Chrome is not the only app that connects to the internet. >If I own a brand, I have to pay Google ads to rank for my own brand Google will still rank your page even without ads. Normal search results are shown after ads. Other platforms as I mentioned before have search ads. This is not a unique thing. >Google just sits there taxing the whole internet. (And half of mobile...) Investing billions of dollars into platforms for other people to build upon for free is not "just sitting there." Unlike other apps like TikTok where the company has to spend resources developing mobile apps, websites can utilize the browser Google is writing. >Take Chrome away. If you remove a platform a similar one will take its place.
- echelon 1y ago
  > My previous post lists other ways users can ingress to the internet. Chrome is not the only app that connects to the internet. I'm glad the normies will read your post and find other routes of ingress. Defaults and distribution matter. Google has your parents and grandparents on lock. > Investing billions of dollars into platforms for other people to build upon for free is not "just sitting there." They've spent more in stock buybacks. No better way of saying they don't know how to spend the money. It doesn't matter how much the trillion dollar company spent. They're an ecological menace. We need a forest fire to clear away the underbrush and ossification, to create new opportunities for startups and innovation capital. Google is like an invasive species. Like lionfish. They're ruining tech for everyone else, taking far too much meat off the bone across every channel. > Unlike other apps like TikTok where the company has to spend resources developing mobile apps, websites can utilize the browser Google is writing. I wouldn't know because I use Firefox, but on the subject of apps - these are taxed by Google too. > If you remove a platform a similar one will take its place. That's literally the point. Something with less surface area moves in and competes. Companies should face evolutionary pressure constantly. Business should be brutal and painful and hard. Google is so big they'll never feel any pain. That's been bad for the web, for competition, for diverse innovation. Everything just accrues to Google. Not to mention these tech conglomerate oligopolies get to put an upper bounds cap on startups and the IPO market. They get to dump on new companies and buy them on the cheap when they give up. It's easy to threaten to subsidize competition for any new company when you're making hundreds of billions a quarter.
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    >I'm glad the normies will read your post and find other routes of ingress. Some of the apps I listed have billions of users. The normies know about them. >They've spent more in stock buybacks This is moving the goal posts. They still have done a tremendous amount of work creating and maintaining platforms that millions of people are building upon. Companies can always do more, but you can't say that they are doing nothing at all. >these are taxed by Google too. Ad revenue, which makes up the bulk of revenue, is not taxed.
  - terminalshort 1y ago

userbinator 1y ago

X doesn't have its own browser, and neither do Instagram, TikTok, Reddit, nor LinkedIn. YouTube is basically a part of Google, and it's a good example of anticompetition when they deliberately degrade the performance of their site on non-Google browsers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38345858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38345858

charcircuit 1y ago
All of them have dedicated mobile apps. X even has a desktop app. These platforms stand on there own and are not trying to replace Chrome. Their apps are for their own platform and not the web platform. Also the post you linked to targeted users of adblockers and affected Chrome users using adblockers.