> I think many people don't realise that we are very much in the middle of shit creek and without a paddle. Yep. I've watched things for some time, and I thin

> I think many people don't realise that we are very much in the middle of shit creek and without a paddle. Yep. I've watched things for some time, and I think almost everyone is stuck in a "I was 20 years old and things were like X" mentality. Including their take on China capabilities. Yes, China was the place you outsourced cheap BS that had horrible quality to 25 years ago for stupid cheap labor and materials. Today? You are not outsourcing to save money, at least in the direct sense. You are outsourcing there because it may be the only place in the world that can get shit done for you in a reasonable time with a reasonable competency level. And at this point? It's basically the entire value chain short of product marketing and branding for many products. All the technical design knowledge is located there for the most part, and operates at lightspeed compared to the US. If we went to war it'd be over as soon as the weapons stockpiles got depleted - only one side has the capability to manufacturer at scale. And it's not even like a mismatch - it's an ability vs. complete inability.