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It’s funny. Their “Advertise” page explicitly mentions UK on demographics section (7% of users). Both Advertise and Rules pages explicitly mention local along w

It’s funny. Their “Advertise” page explicitly mentions UK on demographics section (7% of users). Both Advertise and Rules pages explicitly mention local along with US laws. It looks like they actually do business in UK serving ads to UK users and thus should be subject to local laws themselves.

narrator 1y ago
If they want their assets, they will have to use U.S courts to get them and U.S courts will refuse to enforce British law that violates the first amendment. It's pretty simple actually. If they had assets in Britain, then they could get to them, but they don't.
- ivan_gammel 1y ago
  They can just treat 4chan as malware server or a drug cartel. There exist sanction mechanisms against foreign entities that do not use local law enforcement in which case opinion of US courts will be irrelevant.
  - achierius 1y ago
    But it's not, and so the treaties to which the US is party for those cases would not apply. What sanction methods are you thinking of that could get to US citizens on US soil without US governmental consent?
    - ivan_gammel 1y ago
      1. Preventing those citizens from doing illegal activities on UK soil 2. Using broader spectrum of law enforcement options if those citizens arrive in the UK
      - ffsm8 1y ago
        Blows my mind someone actually unironically makes this argument. 4chan is showing ads on their site, but if your idea had any grounds, the issue would be with the ad network, not 4chan. While that'd be a pretty bad legal precedent too, it'd at least be coherent. More realistically, 4chan will likely be banned by UK ISPs after a court ruling. The previous mail was likely just to move the process forward to show they have no interest in following the UK law.
        ivan_gammel 1y ago
        >4chan is showing ads on their site, but if your idea had any grounds, the issue would be with the ad network, not 4chan. It's hard to understand the logic of this statement. Why the ad network? 4chan business is to show ads to users while offering them a platform for conversations. What 3rd party service do they use is irrelevant unless that is by coincidence an UK company. >More realistically, 4chan will likely be banned by UK ISPs after a court ruling. This is exactly what my comment above means.
frumplestlatz 1y ago
Serving ads to UK users does not grant the UK enforcement jurisdiction over 4chan. They have no presence, assets, or agents in the UK. If the UK still attempts to issue a judgement contrary to the first amendment, the constitution in general, and/or US law, it will not be recognized by US courts. In short, the UK can kick rocks.
- 8note 1y ago
  the UK could block access to 4chan, or block the ability for 4chan to sell ads in the UK
  - pseudo0 1y ago
    It's bad optics to build their own Hadrian's Firewall, so they are trying to bully foreign companies into compliance instead. If they want to go after the ad revenue, they would have to try to identify and prosecute the UK-based companies doing business with 4chan, and they will struggle to do that when they have no ability to subpoena 4chan for their business records.
    - ivan_gammel 1y ago
      Such firewall exists everywhere, because courts can block access to various websites on different grounds (malware, copyright infringement etc) everywhere.
  - Ferret7446 1y ago
    4chan will laugh and UK users will VPN to access 4chan and nothing of value will have been provided by this laughingstock of regulation.
    - horseradish7k 1y ago
      except 4chan disallows posting from vpns, which is probably why they didn't self censor already

narrator 1y ago

If they want their assets, they will have to use U.S courts to get them and U.S courts will refuse to enforce British law that violates the first amendment. It's pretty simple actually. If they had assets in Britain, then they could get to them, but they don't.

ivan_gammel 1y ago
They can just treat 4chan as malware server or a drug cartel. There exist sanction mechanisms against foreign entities that do not use local law enforcement in which case opinion of US courts will be irrelevant.
- achierius 1y ago
  But it's not, and so the treaties to which the US is party for those cases would not apply. What sanction methods are you thinking of that could get to US citizens on US soil without US governmental consent?
  - ivan_gammel 1y ago
    1. Preventing those citizens from doing illegal activities on UK soil 2. Using broader spectrum of law enforcement options if those citizens arrive in the UK
    - ffsm8 1y ago
      Blows my mind someone actually unironically makes this argument. 4chan is showing ads on their site, but if your idea had any grounds, the issue would be with the ad network, not 4chan. While that'd be a pretty bad legal precedent too, it'd at least be coherent. More realistically, 4chan will likely be banned by UK ISPs after a court ruling. The previous mail was likely just to move the process forward to show they have no interest in following the UK law.
      - ivan_gammel 1y ago
        >4chan is showing ads on their site, but if your idea had any grounds, the issue would be with the ad network, not 4chan. It's hard to understand the logic of this statement. Why the ad network? 4chan business is to show ads to users while offering them a platform for conversations. What 3rd party service do they use is irrelevant unless that is by coincidence an UK company. >More realistically, 4chan will likely be banned by UK ISPs after a court ruling. This is exactly what my comment above means.

frumplestlatz 1y ago

Serving ads to UK users does not grant the UK enforcement jurisdiction over 4chan. They have no presence, assets, or agents in the UK. If the UK still attempts to issue a judgement contrary to the first amendment, the constitution in general, and/or US law, it will not be recognized by US courts. In short, the UK can kick rocks.

8note 1y ago
the UK could block access to 4chan, or block the ability for 4chan to sell ads in the UK
- pseudo0 1y ago
  It's bad optics to build their own Hadrian's Firewall, so they are trying to bully foreign companies into compliance instead. If they want to go after the ad revenue, they would have to try to identify and prosecute the UK-based companies doing business with 4chan, and they will struggle to do that when they have no ability to subpoena 4chan for their business records.
  - ivan_gammel 1y ago
    Such firewall exists everywhere, because courts can block access to various websites on different grounds (malware, copyright infringement etc) everywhere.
- Ferret7446 1y ago
  4chan will laugh and UK users will VPN to access 4chan and nothing of value will have been provided by this laughingstock of regulation.
  - horseradish7k 1y ago
    except 4chan disallows posting from vpns, which is probably why they didn't self censor already