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>Palestians are not innocent of this. The last time (twenty years ago) when they last had elections, they allowed and enabled this. Three fourths of the curren

by Levitz 1y ago

>Palestians are not innocent of this. The last time (twenty years ago) when they last had elections, they allowed and enabled this. Three fourths of the current population couldn't have voted at all. The elections had a participation about about three fourths and Hamas got less than half of the popular vote. Napkin math says for each 100 people in Palestine today, only 25 could have voted at all, of which 19 did, of which 9 voted for Hamas. This whole line of thinking is completely ridiculous.

nobodyandproud 1y ago
Which doesn’t prove that Hamas wouldn’t be elected in again. In fact, Hamas surged in popularity after its October 17th attack: https://themedialine.org/top-stories/the-rise-of-hamas-popularity-in-the-west-bank/ https://themedialine.org/top-stories/the-rise-of-hamas-popul... https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514 https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion... “57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities.” Even articles like https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-sh... which try to downplay the support—“In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas ”—have to caveat as follows: ‘But it is organizations like Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and Lion’s Den that receive the most widespread popular support in Gaza. About three quarters of Gazans express support for both groups, including 40% who see the Lion’s Den in a “very positive” light, an attitude shared by a similar percentage of West Bank residents.’ These are more militant than Hamas. So you’re right: What would get elected in isn’t Hamas, but something far worse. Thanks, but no.
- Levitz 1y ago
  Sorry to be crude but that's just a very long winded concession to my initial point.
  - nobodyandproud 1y ago
    Crude and wrong. It’s not a concession, when it contradicts your position. You believe Palestinians aren’t accountable because most of them didn’t vote. I just showed you that not only is Hamas still popular, more militant orgs with zero tolerance for two-state are far more popular. Until you forced me to research, I wouldn’t have known that the younger Palestinians were even more violent than the public is lead to believe.

by Levitz 1y ago

nobodyandproud 1y ago

Which doesn’t prove that Hamas wouldn’t be elected in again. In fact, Hamas surged in popularity after its October 17th attack: https://themedialine.org/top-stories/the-rise-of-hamas-popularity-in-the-west-bank/ https://themedialine.org/top-stories/the-rise-of-hamas-popul... https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514 https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion... “57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities.” Even articles like https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-sh... which try to downplay the support—“In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas ”—have to caveat as follows: ‘But it is organizations like Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and Lion’s Den that receive the most widespread popular support in Gaza. About three quarters of Gazans express support for both groups, including 40% who see the Lion’s Den in a “very positive” light, an attitude shared by a similar percentage of West Bank residents.’ These are more militant than Hamas. So you’re right: What would get elected in isn’t Hamas, but something far worse. Thanks, but no.

Levitz 1y ago
Sorry to be crude but that's just a very long winded concession to my initial point.
- nobodyandproud 1y ago
  Crude and wrong. It’s not a concession, when it contradicts your position. You believe Palestinians aren’t accountable because most of them didn’t vote. I just showed you that not only is Hamas still popular, more militant orgs with zero tolerance for two-state are far more popular. Until you forced me to research, I wouldn’t have known that the younger Palestinians were even more violent than the public is lead to believe.