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> EXACTLY! Thank you for finally agreeing to this obvious point … Not sure why you tried this in the first place, it was so obviously wrong. You were the one w

> EXACTLY! Thank you for finally agreeing to this obvious point … Not sure why you tried this in the first place, it was so obviously wrong. You were the one who tied it to renewables: “And the energy crisis 2021-2023 affected the entire world, yet for some reason the countries with intermittent renewables were worst affected?” So I really don’t know what point you’re making. > in order to incorrectly smear some site as an unreliable source. This smear failed, because they were correct and you were not. A statement of fact (that the site peddles in misinformation and anti-renewable taking points) is neither a smear now a straw man. > Actually, Germany for example does have a de-facto 100% renewables target for electricity If you go an read the paper you linked to, you’ll see that they are talking about 100% renewable from a single source, e.g. only solar, or only wind. This is not what Germany is doing; they may be targeting 100% renewables, but they aim to reach that by combining multiple sources. > Here you present another common straw man, which is that renewables and nuclear are somehow mutually exclusive. When you have $ to spend on new energy sources, every dollar spent on one source is a dollar not spent on another. And any dollar spent on nuclear would be better spent on renewables. > In fact, coal consumption increased while renewable share went down. So check your facts. Feel free to check them, all you have to do is click on the links I have already sent. But here you can clearly see that your statement is categorically false [0-1]. > Germany spent somewhere between €400-600 billion on its failed "Energiewnde", and it has 10x worse CO₂ emissions than France, which spent €228 billion I don’t see any sources for this. For starters, is that French price adjusted for inflation given that their fleet was built decades ago? As for the CO2 levels, see [0] that shows their emissions high even before their renewables push. And after it is has been decreasing consistently since then. [0]: https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/germany/ https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/germany/ [1]: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-elec-by-source?country=~DEU https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-elec-by-source?coun...

mpweiher 1y ago
> You were the one who tied it to renewables: “And the energy crisis 2021-2023 affected the entire world, yet for some reason the countries with intermittent renewables were worst affected?” Nope, that was reacting to your previous comment: To say nothing of the fact that prices in many countries are often set by the marginal generator, which in the case of say Germany on that graph is oil, gas, or coal. Most of which is imported from other countries as fluctuates wildly with fuel costs (e.g. price shocks after Russian’s invasion of Ukraine). And again: A statement of fact (that the site peddles in misinformation and anti-renewable taking points) Nope. The only "evidence" for your claim that it "peddles" was something where the site was correct and you were the one who peddled the misinformation. > In fact, coal consumption increased while renewable share went down. So check your facts. Feel free to check them, I did. You obviously didn't. German energy consumption jumps “surprisingly” due to weak renewables output in early 2025 https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-energy-consumption-jumps-surprisingly-due-weak-renewables-output-early-2025?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-energy-consumpti... Energy usage in Europe's biggest economy increased to 187.3 million metric tons of coal equivalent, an industry standard measure, from 183.1 million in the first six months of 2024, AGEB's January-June report showed. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-energy-use-rises-23-first-half-2025-2025-07-29/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-energy-use-... Germany's energy transition hits reverse so far in 2025 Clean energy sources generated the smallest amount of Germany's electricity in over a decade so far in 2025, dealing a blow to the energy transition momentum of Europe's largest economy. To compensate for the drop in clean electricity supplies, German power firms were forced to lift fossil fuel power output by 10% from a year ago, and the share of fossil fuels in the German generation mix has climbed to its highest since 2018. Anyway: you keep changing the subject, being dishonest about doing so etc. Bye.
- _aavaa_ 1y ago
  I will simply echo the dead reply to your comment: It is evident to others that you are arguing in bad faith and constantly moving the goal posts. A discussion of total energy consumption rather than electricity is a completely different topic, and very far from your original claim about the negative impacts of renewables on electricity prices and electrical grids.
  - mpweiher 1y ago
    You keep lying: "Clean energy sources generated the smallest amount of Germany's electricity"
- throwaway_ve15O 1y ago
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mpweiher 1y ago

> You were the one who tied it to renewables: “And the energy crisis 2021-2023 affected the entire world, yet for some reason the countries with intermittent renewables were worst affected?” Nope, that was reacting to your previous comment: To say nothing of the fact that prices in many countries are often set by the marginal generator, which in the case of say Germany on that graph is oil, gas, or coal. Most of which is imported from other countries as fluctuates wildly with fuel costs (e.g. price shocks after Russian’s invasion of Ukraine). And again: A statement of fact (that the site peddles in misinformation and anti-renewable taking points) Nope. The only "evidence" for your claim that it "peddles" was something where the site was correct and you were the one who peddled the misinformation. > In fact, coal consumption increased while renewable share went down. So check your facts. Feel free to check them, I did. You obviously didn't. German energy consumption jumps “surprisingly” due to weak renewables output in early 2025 https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-energy-consumption-jumps-surprisingly-due-weak-renewables-output-early-2025?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-energy-consumpti... Energy usage in Europe's biggest economy increased to 187.3 million metric tons of coal equivalent, an industry standard measure, from 183.1 million in the first six months of 2024, AGEB's January-June report showed. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-energy-use-rises-23-first-half-2025-2025-07-29/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-energy-use-... Germany's energy transition hits reverse so far in 2025 Clean energy sources generated the smallest amount of Germany's electricity in over a decade so far in 2025, dealing a blow to the energy transition momentum of Europe's largest economy. To compensate for the drop in clean electricity supplies, German power firms were forced to lift fossil fuel power output by 10% from a year ago, and the share of fossil fuels in the German generation mix has climbed to its highest since 2018. Anyway: you keep changing the subject, being dishonest about doing so etc. Bye.

_aavaa_ 1y ago
I will simply echo the dead reply to your comment: It is evident to others that you are arguing in bad faith and constantly moving the goal posts. A discussion of total energy consumption rather than electricity is a completely different topic, and very far from your original claim about the negative impacts of renewables on electricity prices and electrical grids.
- mpweiher 1y ago
  You keep lying: "Clean energy sources generated the smallest amount of Germany's electricity"
throwaway_ve15O 1y ago
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