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And it’s actually good. Immigration does not do 30 year olds any favours. It only helps businesses and pensioners.
by dkiebd 1y ago
And it’s actually good. Immigration does not do 30 year olds any favours. It only helps businesses and pensioners.
- oulipo 1y agoIt helps everyone, migrants pay more taxes than they get out of the system in benefits. Plus they often do jobs that many people wouldn't otherwise
- Husieandr 1y ago[flagged]
- Telemakhos 1y agoDo migrants do jobs that native-born citizens would not under any circumstances do, or do they do jobs that native-born citizens would not do for the low wages that migrants are willing to accept?
- 9dev 1y agoWe’re talking about minimum wage jobs, so the low wages are capped at the bottom for everyone anyway. And yes, there’s absolutely "native born" workers that will and do work for minimum wage already.
- extraisland 1y agoRegarding the taxation argument. That may have been true in the past (it doesn't account that many of these people stay and then will need to supported when they become elderly) but under the "Boris Wave" immigration boom that is no longer the case. It doesn't address the other problems such as social cohesion.
- Gud 1y agoThis really depends on the quality of the migrants coming. The immigration policies of my home country Sweden has been detrimental for the Swedes. I live in Zürich and there are a lot of foreigners here. Here it’s not so clear cut if it’s for the better or for the worse.
- lurker44 1y ago>Plus they often do jobs that many people wouldn't otherwise because the wages are low, why are the wages low? because these jobs have access to an unlimited amount of strikebreakers/migrants willing to do them for those low wages, so the wage stays suppressed and low, instead of allowing market mechanics to bring those wages up
- rhubarbtree 1y agoIn the west there are not enough young people to support the elderly, and immigration of young people can help to address this problem to the benefit of everyone.
- dkiebd 1y agoNo, you mean to the benefit of pensioners. Plus there are enough people to care of old people. It’s just that immigrants cause such downward pressure on salaries that elder care is not a viable job sector for most.
- Husieandr 1y ago[flagged]
- Telemakhos 1y agoI see this argument fairly often, but rarely do I see the premises questioned. Why do the elderly need to be supported? Wealth is concentrated in their hands (especially in the UK), while younger generations are struggling to be able to afford housing let alone build wealth. Perhaps society should focus less on supporting the generations who have already accumulated wealth and instead focus on supporting the generations who are starting families.
- rhubarbtree 1y agoThe elderly don’t pay much tax, and they are very expensive to the state. Younger migrants contribute more taxes to fund healthcare and social services and pensions used by the elderly. But yes, I agree, we need to tilt the scales back towards the young.
- 9dev 1y agoThey need someone to literally care for them. In Germany for example, there are far too few people working in elderly care, and it’s a huge problem if we don’t want them to die of starvation, malnutrition or falling down the stairs with nobody to find them there. Even wealth can’t magically summon the humans necessary to do that kind of work, robots are no solution for the foreseeable future and I don’t think starting a family is easy if you have to take care of your parents and/or grandparents.