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Do what you love and the money will follow. If the money doesn't follow, you'll still be doing what you love and that's worth more than money. People like bei

by pj 18y ago

Do what you love and the money will follow. If the money doesn't follow, you'll still be doing what you love and that's worth more than money. People like being around people who are doing what they love. But not a lot of people like being around people with a lot of money. Who cares about the money. I give most of mine away because my life is better without it. If you have a lot of money, people wonder who you screwed to get it. There's a real bias against people with money in the world. They're greedy. They cause the collapse of the world economy. They force the people to enact laws that limit their own freedoms. People who are motivated by money aren't that fun to be around. People who want to succeed or accomplish something or make the world a better place or have a grand vision and work hard to implement it -- those are the people /I/ want to be around. I know a lot of people with a lot of money and a lot of them are pretty boring. They hate their jobs. They complain a lot. They're actually kind of lazy to be honest. You don't have to work hard to make $70k a year and $70k a year is a /lot/ of money, don't scoff. There are people in many parts of America who don't know where their next meal is coming from. They could do a lot with $70k/yr. Those motivated by new experiences and love of life. Those people are happy, because well.. they love their lives. They make people smile. They laugh. They make the world better. One of my favorite VP superiors told me a story once, her mother-in-law was born without a dollar to her name and died without a dollar to her name and /still/ has a library named after her. Do what you love. Forget the money, you'll have more of it than you'll know what to do with. If you love what you do, you won't have time to spend it anyway...

dan_sim 18y ago
You said, "Do what you love and the money will follow." What if you do what you love and money never follows? Will you stop doing it? Will you stop loving it? I think money should never be part of the equation. This citation needs be to rewritten to "Do what you love and something will follow". You'll never know what will follow and that's the interesting part of the adventure.
rw 18y ago
Laissez-faire capitalism is not capable of consistently rewarding people for doing what they love. It does not care about self-actualization. The fact that you do care about that is refreshing.
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- jerf 18y ago
  s/Lassez-faire capitalism/Reality/. No current economic system can sustain it on a large scale either, because reality itself is against it. Maybe someday, but we need still more productivity first.
  - Retric 18y ago
    I think the vast majority of our society would function just fine if ~10% of the populace worked a 40 hour week. EX: When you go to fill up your tank you don't need anyone inside that store, a few vending machines for snacks and drinks would work just fine. As a thought experiment labor costs go up 10fold which jobs stop happening and which ones become more automated. You could dramatically reduce the distance the average trucker drives by using trains. Small farms suck from a labor standpoint. There is little reason a person needs to make the coffee at Starbucks. Romba style machines can clean vacuum. Bathrooms can be designed and built to be automatically cleaned. etc. IMO, low skilled human labor is still cheep, but a change in the cost of human labor would soon see a huge shift.
    - jerf 18y ago
      I think you're wrong... by about twenty years, give or take quite a bit and highly variable depending on exactly what we're talking about. We can't quite have robotic truck drivers... but we're actually getting reasonably close. We can't quite automate a gas station... but we are getting reasonably close. We can't quite automate a fast-food joint (one of my personal favorite robotic bellwethers), but we're getting within sight of that possibility. That's why I left open the possibility that this will change in the future. Right now society still requires us to all work, but we're getting within spitting distance of that not being true. Now, that's going to be an economic disruption on par with the industrial revolution, and I'd say we're actually on the early part of that curve, because the first industries to feel this are the ones most easily Internet-able...
helveticaman 18y ago
I don't know how fun I am to be around [hmmm...bad indicator] but I actually do what I love...and that's capitalism. And honestly, I'd do it for free. I follow the stock market even though I'm not invested in it. Trading is fun. Working is fun. Learning is fun. But I agree with you, I can't stand the people that want money for the status or what have you...such philistines.
lallysingh 18y ago
Small edit: do what you love, and do it with a decent business plan. Then, your love will lead to enough hard work to make the business plan succeed.
c1sc0 18y ago
Funny you find $70K a lot of money. I know a lot of people who'd find that too little. I completely agree though; it's more than enough to live a comfortable life. It's easy to be pushed into jobs you don't really like just to 'keep up with the Joneses'.
davidw 18y ago
> Do what you love and the money will follow. Actually there are plenty of jobs that, no matter how much you love them, just aren't going to make you wealthy. To pick a simple example, "elementary school teacher". Important to society, probably rewarding for many people, but not something that will make you rich. > you'll still be doing what you love and that's worth more than money. Yeah, but money helps too.
corentin 18y ago
What I love is living in a very comfortable house in front of the sea, with nobody else around me for miles. What I love is sitting in a hot bath and reading a book. What I love is travelling and being entertained. So far, nobody has offered to pay me to do what I love. It's a shame. So I have to work for money like the greedy bastard I am, to make the world a better place for me. Let me quote one of Ireland's most successful businessman, Michael O'Leary, CEO of Ryanair, on "doing what you love": "I am not a cloud bunny. I am not an aerosexual. I don't like aeroplanes. I never wanted to be a pilot like those other goons who populate the air industry"
- pj 18y ago
  There's a philosophical undertone here that I can't quite put my finger on. "Do what you love" is just a saying. It implies a lot of things. One of those things is that you have do what you love for money. Get a job doing what you love. There are lots of things you love, one of them is worth money to someone else. Find /that/ thing and do it a lot and get good at it and do it for other people and then train other people how to do it for other people and voila, successful business. It's not as hard as it seems. If a business out there is willing to pay 10 people to sit in a cube and do something all day, and it isn't all day, most of the time, cubers are getting coffee or chatting with coworkers and not really working and they get paid /bank/ to do it. If someone will pay you to sit in a cube and do something -- and you are /really/ good at it, then 10 other companies will pay you just as much to do it for them and you'll make a lot of money. Don't be lazy! How about "Work /hard/ doing what you /love/ and the money will come." The focus here is on working hard at doing what you love, forget about the money. Just forget that money exists. If you're paying the rent or you can pay the rent for a year, quit your job and figure out what you love. Then get another job doing that thing. Why are you arguing with me when you know I'm right? It's not even I who am right, lots of people smarter than I am have been saying the same thing for many years. It's true and it works. Don't be a hater! You said, "to make the world a better place for me." I know. I know. Look, here's the deal. You can make the world a better place for you by making the world a better place for everyone. I mean, if the world is better for everyone and you are in that world and you are a subset of everyone, then the world is better for you too. I'm not being naive, this rational. I'm not saying you have to love your job every day. I love my job /almost/ every day, but sometimes a lazy customer calls and wants me to do /their/ job for them like I don't have my own work to do and I do it anyway to make the customer happy and I think to myself, "Man... why do I do that crap?" and I beat myself up and then I find a silver lining like, "Okay, if it was hard for that customer it is hard for other customers, so I'm going to make it easier!" And then I do and I have a better product and the world gets better for everyone, including myself. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. If the product I build is better for /me/ then it's better for a lot of other people too. If I make it better for /them/ then it gets better for /me/ too! Man, I hope my tone doesn't scare people off. It sounds like i haven't really thought this stuff out, but I have. I've gone though all the arguments against it and I still believe it. I /believe/ it. You don't have to believe it a lot of people don't believe it. A lot of people do things they hate their whole entire lives and then get fired, laid off, their pension plans get sucked away by some greedy bastard like you (jk, i'm playin, i'm playin, you seem like a nice guy) or cancer and die and they regret it. I don't want to be like that. If I do what I love every day and it's honorable and honest and good, then I'll die a happy person and people will look at me like, "That guy never made a dime but he was always smiling and happy, except when he was exhausted from working so hard." Like Boxer in Animal Farm, except smarter and hopefully the bad guys won't turn me into glue for some booze. Anyway, it'd be a nice life until the dead part. I'd like to live that life. Work hard. Love life. Die happy. I've had lots of money and I've had no money and right now I have almost no money and I'm so happy. I'm working harder than when I had lots of money. I'm spending that money on my company and it's fun and I love what I do and I don't know, I don't think I'm special or different. I'm just like everyone else and if it can work for me, it can work for other people and if it does and they get happy, i'll be happier too! In 15 years, if all this is a total failure, it is possible that I could look back and think, "Wow, I was so dumb, I shouldn't have listened to myself." That very well may happen, but I don't think it will. I don't believe it will. It's in the future, so by definition it is an opinion and it could be wrong, but I'm listening to myself right now, myself right now is saying, keep typing, keep telling the world the TRUTH and keep saying it! There's an endlessly looping voice in my head saying, "There are going to be naysayers, don't listen to them. Those people need excuses for their misery. They need justification for not going for it, for not taking a risk, for not trying, for not working hard. They're lazy!" Don't be lazy! Don't make excuses. WORK HARD. It's sooo much easier to work hard if you love what you are doing. Here's one more quote and I'll finish with it: Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life
help 18y ago
I don't know what this forum is and feel a bit like I'm intruding, but as you were exchanging banter on the philosophies of capitalism, my weary eyes fixed on the figure of 70k along with the word (somewhere) "teacher". I have been a teacher for 22 years, currently am going through a divorce from an abusive man who has only a fourth of the education I have but makes double what I'll ever hope to see. In addition, he is wiping me clean of the little bit I do make and every bit of retirement I've had. He's also giving me all of his debts - 30K - that were borrowed in MY name because he couldn't keep a job and we were going to lose our home. I am scared, alone, and utterly broke after giving 22 years of my life to teaching inner-city students. If you all have the time and money to chat about... well, time and money, then please help me. A co-worker in similar circumstances gave up and hanged herself last year. I have been considering the same. How can our society allow someone who has valued education and given everything to helping others live in a state of despair over where the next meal is coming from or where she is going to live? I don't qualify for Section 8 housing because I earn just a little too much, but they don't factor in even the MINIMUM payments on the 30K credit card debts that I must pay since I was foolish enough to put them in MY name to pay OUR bills during HIS unemployment. How about if you all talk about this kind of thing? I am not the only one going through something like this. I am intelligent, hard working, have 3 degrees, 2 little girls to feed, and have been completely wrecked and hung out to dry financially and live in a country with a legal system that so far has allowed it (because he can afford a better attorney). Could any of this useless chatter be applied toward helping someone like me who still has so much to offer as a middle school teacher but can't afford housing or food????? I have a huge sense of humor, but this is not a joke at all... I am desperate and don't even know any more where to turn for help. I've exhausted every resource. lllllll778899@yahoo.com

by pj 18y ago

dan_sim 18y ago

You said, "Do what you love and the money will follow." What if you do what you love and money never follows? Will you stop doing it? Will you stop loving it? I think money should never be part of the equation. This citation needs be to rewritten to "Do what you love and something will follow". You'll never know what will follow and that's the interesting part of the adventure.

rw 18y ago

Laissez-faire capitalism is not capable of consistently rewarding people for doing what they love. It does not care about self-actualization. The fact that you do care about that is refreshing.

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jerf 18y ago
s/Lassez-faire capitalism/Reality/. No current economic system can sustain it on a large scale either, because reality itself is against it. Maybe someday, but we need still more productivity first.
- Retric 18y ago
  I think the vast majority of our society would function just fine if ~10% of the populace worked a 40 hour week. EX: When you go to fill up your tank you don't need anyone inside that store, a few vending machines for snacks and drinks would work just fine. As a thought experiment labor costs go up 10fold which jobs stop happening and which ones become more automated. You could dramatically reduce the distance the average trucker drives by using trains. Small farms suck from a labor standpoint. There is little reason a person needs to make the coffee at Starbucks. Romba style machines can clean vacuum. Bathrooms can be designed and built to be automatically cleaned. etc. IMO, low skilled human labor is still cheep, but a change in the cost of human labor would soon see a huge shift.
  - jerf 18y ago
    I think you're wrong... by about twenty years, give or take quite a bit and highly variable depending on exactly what we're talking about. We can't quite have robotic truck drivers... but we're actually getting reasonably close. We can't quite automate a gas station... but we are getting reasonably close. We can't quite automate a fast-food joint (one of my personal favorite robotic bellwethers), but we're getting within sight of that possibility. That's why I left open the possibility that this will change in the future. Right now society still requires us to all work, but we're getting within spitting distance of that not being true. Now, that's going to be an economic disruption on par with the industrial revolution, and I'd say we're actually on the early part of that curve, because the first industries to feel this are the ones most easily Internet-able...

helveticaman 18y ago

I don't know how fun I am to be around [hmmm...bad indicator] but I actually do what I love...and that's capitalism. And honestly, I'd do it for free. I follow the stock market even though I'm not invested in it. Trading is fun. Working is fun. Learning is fun. But I agree with you, I can't stand the people that want money for the status or what have you...such philistines.

lallysingh 18y ago

Small edit: do what you love, and do it with a decent business plan. Then, your love will lead to enough hard work to make the business plan succeed.

c1sc0 18y ago

Funny you find $70K a lot of money. I know a lot of people who'd find that too little. I completely agree though; it's more than enough to live a comfortable life. It's easy to be pushed into jobs you don't really like just to 'keep up with the Joneses'.

davidw 18y ago

> Do what you love and the money will follow. Actually there are plenty of jobs that, no matter how much you love them, just aren't going to make you wealthy. To pick a simple example, "elementary school teacher". Important to society, probably rewarding for many people, but not something that will make you rich. > you'll still be doing what you love and that's worth more than money. Yeah, but money helps too.

corentin 18y ago

What I love is living in a very comfortable house in front of the sea, with nobody else around me for miles. What I love is sitting in a hot bath and reading a book. What I love is travelling and being entertained. So far, nobody has offered to pay me to do what I love. It's a shame. So I have to work for money like the greedy bastard I am, to make the world a better place for me. Let me quote one of Ireland's most successful businessman, Michael O'Leary, CEO of Ryanair, on "doing what you love": "I am not a cloud bunny. I am not an aerosexual. I don't like aeroplanes. I never wanted to be a pilot like those other goons who populate the air industry"

pj 18y ago
There's a philosophical undertone here that I can't quite put my finger on. "Do what you love" is just a saying. It implies a lot of things. One of those things is that you have do what you love for money. Get a job doing what you love. There are lots of things you love, one of them is worth money to someone else. Find /that/ thing and do it a lot and get good at it and do it for other people and then train other people how to do it for other people and voila, successful business. It's not as hard as it seems. If a business out there is willing to pay 10 people to sit in a cube and do something all day, and it isn't all day, most of the time, cubers are getting coffee or chatting with coworkers and not really working and they get paid /bank/ to do it. If someone will pay you to sit in a cube and do something -- and you are /really/ good at it, then 10 other companies will pay you just as much to do it for them and you'll make a lot of money. Don't be lazy! How about "Work /hard/ doing what you /love/ and the money will come." The focus here is on working hard at doing what you love, forget about the money. Just forget that money exists. If you're paying the rent or you can pay the rent for a year, quit your job and figure out what you love. Then get another job doing that thing. Why are you arguing with me when you know I'm right? It's not even I who am right, lots of people smarter than I am have been saying the same thing for many years. It's true and it works. Don't be a hater! You said, "to make the world a better place for me." I know. I know. Look, here's the deal. You can make the world a better place for you by making the world a better place for everyone. I mean, if the world is better for everyone and you are in that world and you are a subset of everyone, then the world is better for you too. I'm not being naive, this rational. I'm not saying you have to love your job every day. I love my job /almost/ every day, but sometimes a lazy customer calls and wants me to do /their/ job for them like I don't have my own work to do and I do it anyway to make the customer happy and I think to myself, "Man... why do I do that crap?" and I beat myself up and then I find a silver lining like, "Okay, if it was hard for that customer it is hard for other customers, so I'm going to make it easier!" And then I do and I have a better product and the world gets better for everyone, including myself. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. If the product I build is better for /me/ then it's better for a lot of other people too. If I make it better for /them/ then it gets better for /me/ too! Man, I hope my tone doesn't scare people off. It sounds like i haven't really thought this stuff out, but I have. I've gone though all the arguments against it and I still believe it. I /believe/ it. You don't have to believe it a lot of people don't believe it. A lot of people do things they hate their whole entire lives and then get fired, laid off, their pension plans get sucked away by some greedy bastard like you (jk, i'm playin, i'm playin, you seem like a nice guy) or cancer and die and they regret it. I don't want to be like that. If I do what I love every day and it's honorable and honest and good, then I'll die a happy person and people will look at me like, "That guy never made a dime but he was always smiling and happy, except when he was exhausted from working so hard." Like Boxer in Animal Farm, except smarter and hopefully the bad guys won't turn me into glue for some booze. Anyway, it'd be a nice life until the dead part. I'd like to live that life. Work hard. Love life. Die happy. I've had lots of money and I've had no money and right now I have almost no money and I'm so happy. I'm working harder than when I had lots of money. I'm spending that money on my company and it's fun and I love what I do and I don't know, I don't think I'm special or different. I'm just like everyone else and if it can work for me, it can work for other people and if it does and they get happy, i'll be happier too! In 15 years, if all this is a total failure, it is possible that I could look back and think, "Wow, I was so dumb, I shouldn't have listened to myself." That very well may happen, but I don't think it will. I don't believe it will. It's in the future, so by definition it is an opinion and it could be wrong, but I'm listening to myself right now, myself right now is saying, keep typing, keep telling the world the TRUTH and keep saying it! There's an endlessly looping voice in my head saying, "There are going to be naysayers, don't listen to them. Those people need excuses for their misery. They need justification for not going for it, for not taking a risk, for not trying, for not working hard. They're lazy!" Don't be lazy! Don't make excuses. WORK HARD. It's sooo much easier to work hard if you love what you are doing. Here's one more quote and I'll finish with it: Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life

help 18y ago

I don't know what this forum is and feel a bit like I'm intruding, but as you were exchanging banter on the philosophies of capitalism, my weary eyes fixed on the figure of 70k along with the word (somewhere) "teacher". I have been a teacher for 22 years, currently am going through a divorce from an abusive man who has only a fourth of the education I have but makes double what I'll ever hope to see. In addition, he is wiping me clean of the little bit I do make and every bit of retirement I've had. He's also giving me all of his debts - 30K - that were borrowed in MY name because he couldn't keep a job and we were going to lose our home. I am scared, alone, and utterly broke after giving 22 years of my life to teaching inner-city students. If you all have the time and money to chat about... well, time and money, then please help me. A co-worker in similar circumstances gave up and hanged herself last year. I have been considering the same. How can our society allow someone who has valued education and given everything to helping others live in a state of despair over where the next meal is coming from or where she is going to live? I don't qualify for Section 8 housing because I earn just a little too much, but they don't factor in even the MINIMUM payments on the 30K credit card debts that I must pay since I was foolish enough to put them in MY name to pay OUR bills during HIS unemployment. How about if you all talk about this kind of thing? I am not the only one going through something like this. I am intelligent, hard working, have 3 degrees, 2 little girls to feed, and have been completely wrecked and hung out to dry financially and live in a country with a legal system that so far has allowed it (because he can afford a better attorney). Could any of this useless chatter be applied toward helping someone like me who still has so much to offer as a middle school teacher but can't afford housing or food????? I have a huge sense of humor, but this is not a joke at all... I am desperate and don't even know any more where to turn for help. I've exhausted every resource. lllllll778899@yahoo.com