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I'd add dealerships to the list. I've had to "experience" those once for our testdrive of said Ioniq 5. Well, never again. "Dubious" is the most friendly word

I'd add dealerships to the list. I've had to "experience" those once for our testdrive of said Ioniq 5. Well, never again. "Dubious" is the most friendly word i have for the one that is next to us. And: the car itself is priced at least 10-15k€ too high for what it is.

inferiorhuman 1y ago
I watched the Rich Rebuilds review of the Ioniq 5N recently and while I'm underwhelmed by Hyundai as a company I'll disagree with you and Rich about Hyundai pricing these $10-15k too high. Pretty much the only competition is the Model 3 (Performance), and by that metric Ioniq pricing is spot on. Sure the iD.4 exists but VW really flubbed the software on that. And if you're eyeing the 5N over the regular 5, it did the Pike's Peak climb faster than the Tesla (and on a single charge IIRC). Compared to the Tesla, the Hyundai has an actual interior with physical controls, an 800V charging system, panels that actually line up, and a far bigger dealer/support network. These are things that cost money and even without those things Tesla isn't making a ton of money. Of course I'm in California so EVs are more expensive to run than ICE cars so it's all moot.
sokoloff 1y ago
I tried to buy an Ioniq 5 when Hyundai had attractive lease offers published. A dealer near me had a car that showed as qualifying and I emailed to verify that it was in-stock and qualifies for the lease offer. That started one of the most Byzantine discussions around “come on in and we’ll create a custom lease package that suits your needs best.” “I don’t need anything custom; I find the published lease offer suits my needs perfectly.” <3-4 more emails made clear they had no intention to sell that car for that lease offer.> Now we have a CPO Lexus and I couldn’t be happier.
lokar 1y ago
My test drive was actually good. One of the best sales people I dealt with. Very knowledgeable and not pushy.

inferiorhuman 1y ago

I watched the Rich Rebuilds review of the Ioniq 5N recently and while I'm underwhelmed by Hyundai as a company I'll disagree with you and Rich about Hyundai pricing these $10-15k too high. Pretty much the only competition is the Model 3 (Performance), and by that metric Ioniq pricing is spot on. Sure the iD.4 exists but VW really flubbed the software on that. And if you're eyeing the 5N over the regular 5, it did the Pike's Peak climb faster than the Tesla (and on a single charge IIRC). Compared to the Tesla, the Hyundai has an actual interior with physical controls, an 800V charging system, panels that actually line up, and a far bigger dealer/support network. These are things that cost money and even without those things Tesla isn't making a ton of money. Of course I'm in California so EVs are more expensive to run than ICE cars so it's all moot.

sokoloff 1y ago

I tried to buy an Ioniq 5 when Hyundai had attractive lease offers published. A dealer near me had a car that showed as qualifying and I emailed to verify that it was in-stock and qualifies for the lease offer. That started one of the most Byzantine discussions around “come on in and we’ll create a custom lease package that suits your needs best.” “I don’t need anything custom; I find the published lease offer suits my needs perfectly.” <3-4 more emails made clear they had no intention to sell that car for that lease offer.> Now we have a CPO Lexus and I couldn’t be happier.

lokar 1y ago

My test drive was actually good. One of the best sales people I dealt with. Very knowledgeable and not pushy.