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Right now, in the suppression of protest against the genocide in Palestine.

em-bee 1y ago
i found two articles that write about this: https://www.nd-aktuell.de/artikel/1191189.index-der-repression-systematische-unterdrueckung-von-palaestina-solidaritaet.html https://www.nd-aktuell.de/artikel/1191189.index-der-repressi... https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/berlin-demonstrationen-gazastreifen-palaestina-polizeigewalt-li.3273957 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/berlin-demonstrationen-g... the first is a left wing publication, but the second is quite conservative. i have to admit that what they describe is much worse than i imagined. :-( you are right it certainly looks a lot like suppression of legitimate protests and support of palestine being deliberately misinterpreted as antisemitism.
- closewith 1y ago
  Fair play to you for doing your research and making this comment.
  - em-bee 1y ago
    i am not discussing here to win arguments, but to learn and educate (myself included).
bboygravity 1y ago
What are you talking about? I see those (clearly very well funded) protests calling for literal unambiguous genocide of the Israeli people "from the river to the sea" almost weekly in every major train station and city center in the EU (and also China which means CCP gov backs the message)?! Open jew hate in Europe hasn't been this elevated since WWII.
- closewith 1y ago
  > Open jew hate in Europe hasn't been this elevated since WWII. Opposition to genocide or to Israel is not anti-Semitism.
em-bee 1y ago
we need to be more specific here. peaceful demonstrations are certainly allowed. it becomes a problem when those demonstrations become violent. suppression would be not allowing these demonstrations in the first place. and if that is the case we need to look at how often that happens and whether the risk for a planned demonstration turning violent justifies not allowing it to take place.
- closewith 1y ago
  > peaceful demonstrations are certainly allowed That's just not true. Germany has banned slogans in favour of Palestinian freedom. What's allowed is government-sanctioned gathering, which is the opposite of freedom of speech.
  - em-bee 1y ago
    Germany has banned slogans in favour of Palestinian freedom. do you have any references? and what do you mean by "government-sanctioned"? reality is that any kind of large public demonstration requires registration and is subject to permission. the question is whether permission is granted to all groups equally, or whether certain groups are getting limited. if that is what you mean then we would have to look at actual statistics. demonstrations in favor of palestina certainly did happen.
    - closewith 1y ago
      > do you have any references? Staatsräson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany#Restrictions_on_Pro-Palestinian_expression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany#Restrict... > and what do you mean by "government-sanctioned"? reality is that any kind of large public demonstration requires registration and is subject to permission. In Germany. That's not true in the majority of the democratic world and is not what any reasonable person would call freedom of expression. Nothing that requires permission is a right and civil rights don't require permission. > demonstrations in favor of palestina certainly did happen. And the protestors have faced consequences both immediate and in long-tail harassment from the German State.

i found two articles that write about this: https://www.nd-aktuell.de/artikel/1191189.index-der-repression-systematische-unterdrueckung-von-palaestina-solidaritaet.html https://www.nd-aktuell.de/artikel/1191189.index-der-repressi... https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/berlin-demonstrationen-gazastreifen-palaestina-polizeigewalt-li.3273957 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/berlin-demonstrationen-g... the first is a left wing publication, but the second is quite conservative. i have to admit that what they describe is much worse than i imagined. :-( you are right it certainly looks a lot like suppression of legitimate protests and support of palestine being deliberately misinterpreted as antisemitism.

closewith 1y ago
Fair play to you for doing your research and making this comment.
- em-bee 1y ago
  i am not discussing here to win arguments, but to learn and educate (myself included).

bboygravity 1y ago

What are you talking about? I see those (clearly very well funded) protests calling for literal unambiguous genocide of the Israeli people "from the river to the sea" almost weekly in every major train station and city center in the EU (and also China which means CCP gov backs the message)?! Open jew hate in Europe hasn't been this elevated since WWII.

closewith 1y ago
> Open jew hate in Europe hasn't been this elevated since WWII. Opposition to genocide or to Israel is not anti-Semitism.

em-bee 1y ago

we need to be more specific here. peaceful demonstrations are certainly allowed. it becomes a problem when those demonstrations become violent. suppression would be not allowing these demonstrations in the first place. and if that is the case we need to look at how often that happens and whether the risk for a planned demonstration turning violent justifies not allowing it to take place.

closewith 1y ago
> peaceful demonstrations are certainly allowed That's just not true. Germany has banned slogans in favour of Palestinian freedom. What's allowed is government-sanctioned gathering, which is the opposite of freedom of speech.
- em-bee 1y ago
  Germany has banned slogans in favour of Palestinian freedom. do you have any references? and what do you mean by "government-sanctioned"? reality is that any kind of large public demonstration requires registration and is subject to permission. the question is whether permission is granted to all groups equally, or whether certain groups are getting limited. if that is what you mean then we would have to look at actual statistics. demonstrations in favor of palestina certainly did happen.
  - closewith 1y ago
    > do you have any references? Staatsräson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany#Restrictions_on_Pro-Palestinian_expression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany#Restrict... > and what do you mean by "government-sanctioned"? reality is that any kind of large public demonstration requires registration and is subject to permission. In Germany. That's not true in the majority of the democratic world and is not what any reasonable person would call freedom of expression. Nothing that requires permission is a right and civil rights don't require permission. > demonstrations in favor of palestina certainly did happen. And the protestors have faced consequences both immediate and in long-tail harassment from the German State.