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Let me guess- preventing child abuse- unless it's done by an israeli government official of course https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/16/nevada-arrest

Let me guess- preventing child abuse- unless it's done by an israeli government official of course https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/16/nevada-arrest-israeli-official https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/16/nevada-arres...

zappb 1y ago
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echelon 1y ago
I hate the "protect the children" argument so much. Birth rates are so low that a lot of people don't even have kids. Why should we preference other people's children to a total invasion of our privacy? Shouldn't those parents mind their own offspring? Stop putting god and other people's children in my life. That's none of the government's business.
- wolvesechoes 1y ago
  > Stop putting god and other people's children in my life. That's none of the government's business This is very naive worldview.
  - echelon 1y ago
    No it's not. People need to leave other people alone. Stop imposing religion, lifestyle, judgment. Live and let live. What people do with their own lives is none of anybody else's business.
    - OhioMan2943 1y ago
      Liberty is good, but individuation and atomisation can break a community if it goes too far. If you don't feel any obligation to the state that helped you what hope do you have for national unity.
    - wolvesechoes 1y ago
      It is naive - you mistake reality and your expectations.
      - lukan 1y ago
        What makes you think he is unaware of reality? He just expresses his demands at this reality, or rather the small part of reality that human society occupies. I am pretty sure he is aware that the default is rather intrusive - but that doesn't mean that is the right default.
        wolvesechoes 1y ago
        Because of: What people do with their own lives is none of anybody else's business. One of the main characteristics of the society is that its members take business in what other people do with their own lives. Saying that it shouldn't be the case is not a proposal for a different society, but for abolishing it altogether, and thus naive.
        lukan 1y ago
        "One of the main characteristics of the society is that its members take business in what other people do with their own lives." That is your definition of societey, but one I consider close to totalitarian. And yeah, sadly it is the standard, but there are societies that stick together, so each member has better chances of living their own live and not so each members lives the live that the others force them to live.
        OhioMan2943 1y ago
- cenamus 1y ago
  The other point is that people don't even care. Teachers with CP possession don't do any time, just one or two year suspended sentence. Most of the terrorists, be it by bus, truck, gun or knife, were well known to the police ahead of time. Did that stop the attacks? Would more "chat control" change any of that? Fuck no....
- OhioMan2943 1y ago
  It's an interesting argument that with a declining birth rate childrens protection should be less in the picture. I'm more inclined to think that we owe it to the next generation to give them something viable and recognisable as a childhood, and it's communities obligation to raise them. Those who want privacy will usually find it.
  - echelon 1y ago
    > we owe it to the next generation to give them something viable and recognisable as a childhood Poverty and bad parenting is the problem, not the Internet. > it's communities obligation to raise them. I'd favor taxing bad parents instead of taxing the broader society. If you don't want your kids seeing content you disagree with, don't give them access. It's a parent's responsibility. I find it hard to believe that this is the top priority. > Those who want privacy will usually find it. Increasingly impossible. Privacy is evaporating. Coupled with the increasing amounts of censorship, freedom of speech is disappearing too. The next step is to leverage these tools to control the population. It's already happening. Right now these systems are being used to coerce powerful politicians and business leaders. It's a trap that becomes a blunt instrument. One day in the not too distant future you'll have to sign in with your government photo ID to make queries or posts online. If you say something "bad", the government will fine you and limit your social mobility. Your jobs, your opportunities, your money will all be suspended, subject to your pending social rehabilitation. The only way to stop that is to shut it down now. Sorry that the kiddies might see boobies. Maybe mom and dad need to limit smartphone access or install filters. If we're being honest with ourselves, we'd crack down on all the rampant sex trafficking in Roblox. But we know that protecting kids isn't the real reason these things are being developed.
- continuational 1y ago
  I don't like that argument either. However, the continued existence of society requires other people's children, so maybe it's a pretty important investment?
  - efilife 1y ago
    There's really no logical reason for humans to exist
  - echelon 1y ago
    > society requires other people's children Does it really require knee-capping the internet and privacy though? Is this really the pressing issue for society?
bboygravity 1y ago
Did you really have to add the Israeli thing there? News flash: every country in the world has an Epstein. Even Epstein has been replaced and a new guy is doing his work. Or does anybody really believe that child abuse among elites in the US and globally has suddenly stopped when Epstein was suicided?
- throwawayxcmz 1y ago
  Go on, tell me what country other than Israel has Epstein?
- OhioMan2943 1y ago
  This isn't even epstein, it's an active member of the likud party, but since you've mentioned epstein i guess i should say that the former prime minister of israel also visited his island numerous times and bolster my point. And yeah, it's my moral obligation to include it.
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echelon 1y ago

I hate the "protect the children" argument so much. Birth rates are so low that a lot of people don't even have kids. Why should we preference other people's children to a total invasion of our privacy? Shouldn't those parents mind their own offspring? Stop putting god and other people's children in my life. That's none of the government's business.

wolvesechoes 1y ago
> Stop putting god and other people's children in my life. That's none of the government's business This is very naive worldview.
- echelon 1y ago
  No it's not. People need to leave other people alone. Stop imposing religion, lifestyle, judgment. Live and let live. What people do with their own lives is none of anybody else's business.
  - OhioMan2943 1y ago
    Liberty is good, but individuation and atomisation can break a community if it goes too far. If you don't feel any obligation to the state that helped you what hope do you have for national unity.
  - wolvesechoes 1y ago
    It is naive - you mistake reality and your expectations.
    - lukan 1y ago
      What makes you think he is unaware of reality? He just expresses his demands at this reality, or rather the small part of reality that human society occupies. I am pretty sure he is aware that the default is rather intrusive - but that doesn't mean that is the right default.
      - wolvesechoes 1y ago
        Because of: What people do with their own lives is none of anybody else's business. One of the main characteristics of the society is that its members take business in what other people do with their own lives. Saying that it shouldn't be the case is not a proposal for a different society, but for abolishing it altogether, and thus naive.
        lukan 1y ago
        "One of the main characteristics of the society is that its members take business in what other people do with their own lives." That is your definition of societey, but one I consider close to totalitarian. And yeah, sadly it is the standard, but there are societies that stick together, so each member has better chances of living their own live and not so each members lives the live that the others force them to live.
        OhioMan2943 1y ago
cenamus 1y ago
The other point is that people don't even care. Teachers with CP possession don't do any time, just one or two year suspended sentence. Most of the terrorists, be it by bus, truck, gun or knife, were well known to the police ahead of time. Did that stop the attacks? Would more "chat control" change any of that? Fuck no....
OhioMan2943 1y ago
It's an interesting argument that with a declining birth rate childrens protection should be less in the picture. I'm more inclined to think that we owe it to the next generation to give them something viable and recognisable as a childhood, and it's communities obligation to raise them. Those who want privacy will usually find it.
- echelon 1y ago
  > we owe it to the next generation to give them something viable and recognisable as a childhood Poverty and bad parenting is the problem, not the Internet. > it's communities obligation to raise them. I'd favor taxing bad parents instead of taxing the broader society. If you don't want your kids seeing content you disagree with, don't give them access. It's a parent's responsibility. I find it hard to believe that this is the top priority. > Those who want privacy will usually find it. Increasingly impossible. Privacy is evaporating. Coupled with the increasing amounts of censorship, freedom of speech is disappearing too. The next step is to leverage these tools to control the population. It's already happening. Right now these systems are being used to coerce powerful politicians and business leaders. It's a trap that becomes a blunt instrument. One day in the not too distant future you'll have to sign in with your government photo ID to make queries or posts online. If you say something "bad", the government will fine you and limit your social mobility. Your jobs, your opportunities, your money will all be suspended, subject to your pending social rehabilitation. The only way to stop that is to shut it down now. Sorry that the kiddies might see boobies. Maybe mom and dad need to limit smartphone access or install filters. If we're being honest with ourselves, we'd crack down on all the rampant sex trafficking in Roblox. But we know that protecting kids isn't the real reason these things are being developed.
continuational 1y ago
I don't like that argument either. However, the continued existence of society requires other people's children, so maybe it's a pretty important investment?
- efilife 1y ago
  There's really no logical reason for humans to exist
- echelon 1y ago
  > society requires other people's children Does it really require knee-capping the internet and privacy though? Is this really the pressing issue for society?

bboygravity 1y ago

Did you really have to add the Israeli thing there? News flash: every country in the world has an Epstein. Even Epstein has been replaced and a new guy is doing his work. Or does anybody really believe that child abuse among elites in the US and globally has suddenly stopped when Epstein was suicided?

throwawayxcmz 1y ago
Go on, tell me what country other than Israel has Epstein?
OhioMan2943 1y ago
This isn't even epstein, it's an active member of the likud party, but since you've mentioned epstein i guess i should say that the former prime minister of israel also visited his island numerous times and bolster my point. And yeah, it's my moral obligation to include it.
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