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And no mention of the real issue, imagine having to submit your biometrics to a logged database that stores it alongside your location, the date, where you were

And no mention of the real issue, imagine having to submit your biometrics to a logged database that stores it alongside your location, the date, where you were, just to buy alcohol or enter a club. That would feel authoritarian to most, and this is what's happening here. And on the business, it's a huge cost, so small niche forums and others might just have to close. The issue is really people talking over each other. You either care about the above or not. If you do, it has nothing to do with children. If they could find a non invasive way to perform age verification, that's free to the website, there wouldn't be a debate.

Bender 1y ago
Niche forums and chat servers will likely move to tor hidden services at the risk of losing people because tor is slower. This is probably a decent time to teach people about the Onion-Location header [1] so that people can silently redirect those with Tor supporting browsers to the hidden sites. [1] - https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/onion-location/ https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/oni...
- drankl 1y ago
  Most forums and chat servers won't have to introduce age verification, because the content their users generate while participating in discussion doesn't need to be age-gated, and anything that would need to be (such as pornography) is off-topic and will be removed by moderators anyway. This link may be of interest: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/5383111-online-safety-act-and-mumsnet https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/5383111-online-safet.... It's about how one of the UK's largest forums is complying with the OSA and why they are taking this approach.
  - Bender 1y ago
    You could be right but I predict that the narrative will (d)evolve from adult content to all user-generated content which encompasses all non-static websites, all forums, all chat servers. I hope I'm wrong.
drankl 1y ago
Some clubs digitally scan your identity document (driving licence or passport) on entry, and almost all clubs and shops have CCTV. This is approximately the same as age verification systems online which either take a selfie video to estimate age, or accept a photo of your ID. > If they could find a non invasive way to perform age verification, that's free to the website, there wouldn't be a debate. Google will be introducing this into their Wallet app, initially for railcards and online alcohol purchases. Hopefully should be more convenient and secure: https://blog.google/products/google-pay/google-wallet-age-identity-verifications https://blog.google/products/google-pay/google-wallet-age-id... I expect people will still complain even with systems like this available.

Bender 1y ago

Niche forums and chat servers will likely move to tor hidden services at the risk of losing people because tor is slower. This is probably a decent time to teach people about the Onion-Location header [1] so that people can silently redirect those with Tor supporting browsers to the hidden sites. [1] - https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/onion-location/ https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/oni...

drankl 1y ago
Most forums and chat servers won't have to introduce age verification, because the content their users generate while participating in discussion doesn't need to be age-gated, and anything that would need to be (such as pornography) is off-topic and will be removed by moderators anyway. This link may be of interest: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/5383111-online-safety-act-and-mumsnet https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/5383111-online-safet.... It's about how one of the UK's largest forums is complying with the OSA and why they are taking this approach.
- Bender 1y ago
  You could be right but I predict that the narrative will (d)evolve from adult content to all user-generated content which encompasses all non-static websites, all forums, all chat servers. I hope I'm wrong.

drankl 1y ago

Some clubs digitally scan your identity document (driving licence or passport) on entry, and almost all clubs and shops have CCTV. This is approximately the same as age verification systems online which either take a selfie video to estimate age, or accept a photo of your ID. > If they could find a non invasive way to perform age verification, that's free to the website, there wouldn't be a debate. Google will be introducing this into their Wallet app, initially for railcards and online alcohol purchases. Hopefully should be more convenient and secure: https://blog.google/products/google-pay/google-wallet-age-identity-verifications https://blog.google/products/google-pay/google-wallet-age-id... I expect people will still complain even with systems like this available.