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Not to be glib, but most fascist foot soldiers are convinced (via years of propaganda) that they are getting rid of criminals and corrupt citizens. These CBP o

Not to be glib, but most fascist foot soldiers are convinced (via years of propaganda) that they are getting rid of criminals and corrupt citizens. These CBP officers who’re making up evidence for innocent legal/documented immigrants, what are they thinking? Or is there some kind of central source making up digital evidence?

ranger_danger 1y ago
"Just following orders"... we've heard that before.
- lesuorac 1y ago
  It's pretty hard (impossible) to make the deportation quotas as required legally. Unless you can figure out someway to remove the quotas CBP is going to continue to falsify evidence so that they can make their quotas. There's a similar issue with many police departments where they function as revenue generating so officers have quotas for traffic tickets they have to write and the same effect occurs (but just monetarily fine not deportations).
- trhway 1y ago
  Actually, more than that. They are proud to be cleaning up the society from "scum" (to the point of that "Superman" joining the ICE recently). It is a very desirable and comfortable mental state - to be a part of such a governmental violent all-the-power that can do no wrong (it is as close to feeling god-/super-power as it is possible at all in this physical reality). In Russia it is known as "Oprichnina" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprichnina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprichnina, kind of a fascism long before fascism existed. There is a novel imagining Oprichnina in the modern days Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Oprichnik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Oprichnik (has English translation) - when it was written 20 years ago people were "That is an overblown imagination" and today - "Wow, how did the author guess that right", yet if one looks back 20 years ago the things were already sliding along that slippery slop. And in US it is kind of similar story - starting with Gitmo 20 years ago - though much less pronounced, and it will take some time before the state will start nabbing in that way actual upstanding citizens)
  - neuralRiot 1y ago
    >They are proud to be cleaning up the society from "scum". The mental gymnastics to think that way and accept the current administration “selected group” must be something of olympic level.
    - trhway 1y ago
      We’ve seen it to many times already- a bit of blatant populist propaganda appealing to the lizard brain of the populace easily removes the need for the mental gymnastics.
- righthand 1y ago
  This is more than “just following orders”, this is “intentionally jumping in line to follow fascist orders”. Why aren’t these good people quitting if they are just following orders they don’t agree with. There was ignorance about this kind of thing that was an excuse to follow orders back in 1930s but that excuse is no longer a “whoopsie get out of jail free” card. If you know someone participating don’t let them pretend we all agree they’re “just protecting their country”. They’re not.
jMyles 1y ago
> These CBP officers who’re making up evidence for innocent legal/documented immigrants, what are they thinking? I'm guessing... quotas? With significant economic incentive, official or otherwise? > Or is there some kind of central source making up digital evidence? This seems to be, by far, the most important question, and is kinda the buried lede here. Is anyone investigating this? It raises a real question: can a free society survive in a digital age amidst a legal system which proscribes particular strings of data? It's so trivial to frame, much moreso than physical evidence. The evidence can be manufactured, as you suggest, without even the low-level agent performing the enforcement action realize that it is synthetic. It seems like an end-around the entire legal system.
drivingmenuts 1y ago
My guess is that the thought process is "looks foreign = bad".
quantummagic 1y ago
The article doesn't say anything bout these being immigrants, rather they're foreign workers with legal visas. There have been numerous examples already of Trump's administration claiming that the legal requirements to revoke such visas, are almost non-existent. Also, Elon Musk received a lot of backlash from MAGA for supporting legal H1B workers. There is a significant-sized movement that wants to draw down all foreign workers (legal and otherwise) in the USA.
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- pj_mukh 1y ago
  I think if the government said “these workers are no longer legal and we are revoking their visas” like they did to TPS immigrants that would make more sense. To make up evidence en masse seems a whole other level
  - quantummagic 1y ago
    It's a horrible situation. No evidence was ever produced against the woman in the article. She was just verbally accused by interrogators; which unfortunately is a tactic that is often used by law enforcement. They are permitted to lie to suspects in the course of an investigation. Having found no credible way to charge her with any crimes, they revoked her work visa (which apparently they can legally do without any cause or justification needed) and she was deported. It seems that everyone on that ship was having their work visas revoked regardless, and on the way out, the authorities were trying to find out how many they could charge with a crime as well.

ranger_danger 1y ago

"Just following orders"... we've heard that before.

lesuorac 1y ago
It's pretty hard (impossible) to make the deportation quotas as required legally. Unless you can figure out someway to remove the quotas CBP is going to continue to falsify evidence so that they can make their quotas. There's a similar issue with many police departments where they function as revenue generating so officers have quotas for traffic tickets they have to write and the same effect occurs (but just monetarily fine not deportations).
trhway 1y ago
Actually, more than that. They are proud to be cleaning up the society from "scum" (to the point of that "Superman" joining the ICE recently). It is a very desirable and comfortable mental state - to be a part of such a governmental violent all-the-power that can do no wrong (it is as close to feeling god-/super-power as it is possible at all in this physical reality). In Russia it is known as "Oprichnina" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprichnina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprichnina, kind of a fascism long before fascism existed. There is a novel imagining Oprichnina in the modern days Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Oprichnik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Oprichnik (has English translation) - when it was written 20 years ago people were "That is an overblown imagination" and today - "Wow, how did the author guess that right", yet if one looks back 20 years ago the things were already sliding along that slippery slop. And in US it is kind of similar story - starting with Gitmo 20 years ago - though much less pronounced, and it will take some time before the state will start nabbing in that way actual upstanding citizens)
- neuralRiot 1y ago
  >They are proud to be cleaning up the society from "scum". The mental gymnastics to think that way and accept the current administration “selected group” must be something of olympic level.
  - trhway 1y ago
    We’ve seen it to many times already- a bit of blatant populist propaganda appealing to the lizard brain of the populace easily removes the need for the mental gymnastics.
righthand 1y ago
This is more than “just following orders”, this is “intentionally jumping in line to follow fascist orders”. Why aren’t these good people quitting if they are just following orders they don’t agree with. There was ignorance about this kind of thing that was an excuse to follow orders back in 1930s but that excuse is no longer a “whoopsie get out of jail free” card. If you know someone participating don’t let them pretend we all agree they’re “just protecting their country”. They’re not.

jMyles 1y ago

> These CBP officers who’re making up evidence for innocent legal/documented immigrants, what are they thinking? I'm guessing... quotas? With significant economic incentive, official or otherwise? > Or is there some kind of central source making up digital evidence? This seems to be, by far, the most important question, and is kinda the buried lede here. Is anyone investigating this? It raises a real question: can a free society survive in a digital age amidst a legal system which proscribes particular strings of data? It's so trivial to frame, much moreso than physical evidence. The evidence can be manufactured, as you suggest, without even the low-level agent performing the enforcement action realize that it is synthetic. It seems like an end-around the entire legal system.

drivingmenuts 1y ago

My guess is that the thought process is "looks foreign = bad".

quantummagic 1y ago

The article doesn't say anything bout these being immigrants, rather they're foreign workers with legal visas. There have been numerous examples already of Trump's administration claiming that the legal requirements to revoke such visas, are almost non-existent. Also, Elon Musk received a lot of backlash from MAGA for supporting legal H1B workers. There is a significant-sized movement that wants to draw down all foreign workers (legal and otherwise) in the USA.

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pj_mukh 1y ago
I think if the government said “these workers are no longer legal and we are revoking their visas” like they did to TPS immigrants that would make more sense. To make up evidence en masse seems a whole other level
- quantummagic 1y ago
  It's a horrible situation. No evidence was ever produced against the woman in the article. She was just verbally accused by interrogators; which unfortunately is a tactic that is often used by law enforcement. They are permitted to lie to suspects in the course of an investigation. Having found no credible way to charge her with any crimes, they revoked her work visa (which apparently they can legally do without any cause or justification needed) and she was deported. It seems that everyone on that ship was having their work visas revoked regardless, and on the way out, the authorities were trying to find out how many they could charge with a crime as well.