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I'm a strong believer in the "no free lunch principle" Through a lifetime of experiences with different substances, the body always adjusts to whatever you're

I'm a strong believer in the "no free lunch principle" Through a lifetime of experiences with different substances, the body always adjusts to whatever you're taking. Taking a stimulant? the brain will down regulate dopamine receptors. Putting lotion on your face? The skin will produce less oils. There is always a downside Rather than excess in one area, we should strive for perfect balance.

byproxy 1y ago
Eating food? You'll eventually die.
karel-3d 1y ago
I don't know, that's a strange concept; what about cleaning your teeth? Should I stop using fluoride toothpaste to strengthen my teeth naturally? edit: on a second thought... it IS making the frogs gay... so.. maybe
- snapplebobapple 1y ago
  Get the sensodyne with novamin, it works drastically better than fluoride alone
yapyap 1y ago
> Putting lotion on your face? The skin will produce less oils dont you want the skin to produce less oils? so you dont get such an oily nose and such for example
- jappgar 1y ago
  Dry cracked skin is a lot worse for your health. The body is producing oils for a reason
herval 1y ago
Drinking water? The body will get more and more thirsty! Taking vitamin supplements because the modern diet doesn’t provide all the nutrients your body needs? The body will start demanding more vitamins!!
- mikert89 1y ago
  clearly you dont have the critical thinking skills to understand my post
  - owebmaster 1y ago
    it is difficult to be empathic when your post starts with a flawed premise.
audunw 1y ago
Is eating plenty of carbs to have good performance during exercise a “free lunch”? It’s more like it’s just optimising what you eat to give the body what it needs during exercise, no? Creatine is pretty much in that category. It’s just a natural source of energy, essentially. You get it in some food as well. And you don’t get much benefits unless you’re doing strength exercise. There may be some benefits for the brain as well, especially in older individuals. I doubt that there’s any significant downsides in general.
gruez 1y ago
>There is always a downside Are you claiming that the downsides of creatine outweighs the benefits, or only that there's some non-zero amount of "downside"?
maplant 1y ago
This is demonstrably false in a lot of cases. For example, if you eat excess calories your metabolism wont adjust. You’ll just get fat.
- rglullis 1y ago
  No one eats excess calories as any type of supplement or natural enhancement, so your example does not work as a counterpoint to the free lunch principle.
  - Retr0id 1y ago
    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/bulking https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/bulking
  - florbnit 1y ago
    So you’re arguing that the free lunch principle doesn’t apply to lunch?
- kelipso 1y ago
  No, you actually do have a lot of leeway in how much you eat, where you body stays the same weight, because the body adjusts how much energy it uses. Also "excess calories gets you fat" might be a circular argument or truism or whatever, as in excess calories is excess only because it gets you fat.
  - maplant 1y ago
    So there’s no way to gain or lose weight. I see
    - kelipso 1y ago
      Lol. I was actually debating whether to add something like “Obviously, once you get past a certain point, you start gaining or losing weight”. I figured it would be obvious and I wouldn’t have to say it but apparently not.
SubmarineClub 1y ago
And yet... The people I know with radiant, flawless skin all use Asian-style skincare with a meticulous nightly regime of like 10 syrups, oils, and unguents. Everyone I've ever met who says that people shouldn't use shampoo/lotion/face wash because it makes the body stop producing oils has been NOT as attractive - putting it kindly.
- mikert89 1y ago
  if they stop the skincare routine, it will take years to recover to baseline
dpkirchner 1y ago
I share your concern and I'd add one more: The motivation behind wanting to be 10% stronger will (probably not) go away after starting a creatine regime. So where do you go from there? Testosterone? Steroids? I can't speak for anyone else but when I work out I am usually trying to meet or beat my last session (despite the march of death) so I think I'm at risk of going too far with supplementation.
- TheDong 1y ago
  I once had a headache and thought about taking an aspirin, but you know if I take an aspirin and feel 10% better, I'll want to feel even better so I'll then just have to take meth, there's no other possibility. I would hope it's the knowledge of testosterone having significant side effects that would stop you from wanting to take it, not the fact that you haven't taken creatine yet.
- snapplebobapple 1y ago
  You wait two years for the drugs that inhibit the muscle growth inhibitor hormone to get through clinical trials and then do a mounjaro plus the inhibitor inhibitor cocktail to cut fat amd grow muscle with limited work i thought everyone knew this,.....;)

byproxy 1y ago

Eating food? You'll eventually die.

karel-3d 1y ago

I don't know, that's a strange concept; what about cleaning your teeth? Should I stop using fluoride toothpaste to strengthen my teeth naturally? edit: on a second thought... it IS making the frogs gay... so.. maybe

snapplebobapple 1y ago
Get the sensodyne with novamin, it works drastically better than fluoride alone

yapyap 1y ago

> Putting lotion on your face? The skin will produce less oils dont you want the skin to produce less oils? so you dont get such an oily nose and such for example

jappgar 1y ago
Dry cracked skin is a lot worse for your health. The body is producing oils for a reason

herval 1y ago

Drinking water? The body will get more and more thirsty! Taking vitamin supplements because the modern diet doesn’t provide all the nutrients your body needs? The body will start demanding more vitamins!!

mikert89 1y ago
clearly you dont have the critical thinking skills to understand my post
- owebmaster 1y ago
  it is difficult to be empathic when your post starts with a flawed premise.

audunw 1y ago

Is eating plenty of carbs to have good performance during exercise a “free lunch”? It’s more like it’s just optimising what you eat to give the body what it needs during exercise, no? Creatine is pretty much in that category. It’s just a natural source of energy, essentially. You get it in some food as well. And you don’t get much benefits unless you’re doing strength exercise. There may be some benefits for the brain as well, especially in older individuals. I doubt that there’s any significant downsides in general.

gruez 1y ago

>There is always a downside Are you claiming that the downsides of creatine outweighs the benefits, or only that there's some non-zero amount of "downside"?

maplant 1y ago

This is demonstrably false in a lot of cases. For example, if you eat excess calories your metabolism wont adjust. You’ll just get fat.

rglullis 1y ago
No one eats excess calories as any type of supplement or natural enhancement, so your example does not work as a counterpoint to the free lunch principle.
- Retr0id 1y ago
  https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/bulking https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/bulking
- florbnit 1y ago
  So you’re arguing that the free lunch principle doesn’t apply to lunch?
kelipso 1y ago
No, you actually do have a lot of leeway in how much you eat, where you body stays the same weight, because the body adjusts how much energy it uses. Also "excess calories gets you fat" might be a circular argument or truism or whatever, as in excess calories is excess only because it gets you fat.
- maplant 1y ago
  So there’s no way to gain or lose weight. I see
  - kelipso 1y ago
    Lol. I was actually debating whether to add something like “Obviously, once you get past a certain point, you start gaining or losing weight”. I figured it would be obvious and I wouldn’t have to say it but apparently not.

SubmarineClub 1y ago

And yet... The people I know with radiant, flawless skin all use Asian-style skincare with a meticulous nightly regime of like 10 syrups, oils, and unguents. Everyone I've ever met who says that people shouldn't use shampoo/lotion/face wash because it makes the body stop producing oils has been NOT as attractive - putting it kindly.

mikert89 1y ago
if they stop the skincare routine, it will take years to recover to baseline

dpkirchner 1y ago

I share your concern and I'd add one more: The motivation behind wanting to be 10% stronger will (probably not) go away after starting a creatine regime. So where do you go from there? Testosterone? Steroids? I can't speak for anyone else but when I work out I am usually trying to meet or beat my last session (despite the march of death) so I think I'm at risk of going too far with supplementation.

TheDong 1y ago
I once had a headache and thought about taking an aspirin, but you know if I take an aspirin and feel 10% better, I'll want to feel even better so I'll then just have to take meth, there's no other possibility. I would hope it's the knowledge of testosterone having significant side effects that would stop you from wanting to take it, not the fact that you haven't taken creatine yet.
snapplebobapple 1y ago
You wait two years for the drugs that inhibit the muscle growth inhibitor hormone to get through clinical trials and then do a mounjaro plus the inhibitor inhibitor cocktail to cut fat amd grow muscle with limited work i thought everyone knew this,.....;)