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> It will be a dystopian environment but they earned it and can earn their way out of it. It's not very clear cut but sometimes it seems like kids just end up

> It will be a dystopian environment but they earned it and can earn their way out of it. It's not very clear cut but sometimes it seems like kids just end up being punished for having bad parents.

diggan 1y ago
> it seems like kids just end up being punished for having bad parents Yeah, hard to make the right call, depends on the age and maturity of the kid I guess. I myself is a product of "bad parents", and it was reflected in my own behavior up until I was 15-16 years old, when I started realizing what I was doing really had an impact on my fellow humans, so at one point I started consciously working on myself to not be like that anymore. So a 6 year old will most definitely just be a product of how the parents act, but once you get older you need to also take responsibility for how you yourself are as a person. What exact age that is seems to differ by country.
Marazan 1y ago
This is the crux of the matter and any "solution" offered that ignores that young children are primarily the product of their parenting is no solution at all
- Bender 1y ago
  Well, this gets dark really fast but the scientific solution is to sterilize the kids and their parents to end a bad blood line. Obviously that will never be legal to do. It won't solve doctors prescribing off-label anti-psychotic drugs, people eating garbage and excessive drinking of fermented crap which leads to compulsive behavior.
  - diggan 1y ago
    > but the scientific solution is to sterilize the kids and their parents to end a bad blood line Not even a good solution, the amount of good people we'd be missing out on would be huge. Plenty of great people come from shit parents/backgrounds.
    - Bender 1y ago
      How do we break the cycle?
      - diggan 1y ago
        If there is risk of getting less great people, should we even risk that by breaking the cycle?
        Bender 1y ago
        Yes. The earths population could be decimated and society would continue on. We could certainly benefit by losing the violent ones.
        diggan 1y ago
        > The earths population could be decimated and society would continue on Which it has, in the past, multiple times. But how would we know if we're better off with those "decimation events" or not? Kind of hard to know without some alternative reality where those didn't happen.
        Bender 1y ago
        Well, I guess we have to run some experiments decimating the earth then list the pros and cons. Someone else can write the thesis, of course.
        immibis 1y ago
        "We should sterilize 90% of the population because we can" is certainly one of the opinions of all time.

> It will be a dystopian environment but they earned it and can earn their way out of it. It's not very clear cut but sometimes it seems like kids just end up being punished for having bad parents.

diggan 1y ago

> it seems like kids just end up being punished for having bad parents Yeah, hard to make the right call, depends on the age and maturity of the kid I guess. I myself is a product of "bad parents", and it was reflected in my own behavior up until I was 15-16 years old, when I started realizing what I was doing really had an impact on my fellow humans, so at one point I started consciously working on myself to not be like that anymore. So a 6 year old will most definitely just be a product of how the parents act, but once you get older you need to also take responsibility for how you yourself are as a person. What exact age that is seems to differ by country.

Marazan 1y ago

This is the crux of the matter and any "solution" offered that ignores that young children are primarily the product of their parenting is no solution at all

Bender 1y ago
Well, this gets dark really fast but the scientific solution is to sterilize the kids and their parents to end a bad blood line. Obviously that will never be legal to do. It won't solve doctors prescribing off-label anti-psychotic drugs, people eating garbage and excessive drinking of fermented crap which leads to compulsive behavior.
- diggan 1y ago
  > but the scientific solution is to sterilize the kids and their parents to end a bad blood line Not even a good solution, the amount of good people we'd be missing out on would be huge. Plenty of great people come from shit parents/backgrounds.
  - Bender 1y ago
    How do we break the cycle?
    - diggan 1y ago
      If there is risk of getting less great people, should we even risk that by breaking the cycle?
      - Bender 1y ago
        Yes. The earths population could be decimated and society would continue on. We could certainly benefit by losing the violent ones.
        diggan 1y ago
        > The earths population could be decimated and society would continue on Which it has, in the past, multiple times. But how would we know if we're better off with those "decimation events" or not? Kind of hard to know without some alternative reality where those didn't happen.
        Bender 1y ago
        Well, I guess we have to run some experiments decimating the earth then list the pros and cons. Someone else can write the thesis, of course.
        immibis 1y ago
        "We should sterilize 90% of the population because we can" is certainly one of the opinions of all time.