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> Even macOS has gotten a lot more nag screens in the past decade compared to the glory years of Jobs-era Mac OS X. I bought a new iPad the other day. I've go

> Even macOS has gotten a lot more nag screens in the past decade compared to the glory years of Jobs-era Mac OS X. I bought a new iPad the other day. I've got notifications in System Preferences advertising five different services I don't want, plus more notifications in individual apps (like an advertisement for the Apple TV subscription in the TV app, which is not the same thing as the subscription service). I don't want Apple TV, Apple-filtered News, whatever the Apple exercise thing is, or the Apple Cultural Experience: just the hardware and software I bought.

Esophagus4 1y ago
Yes - and the Apple Card advertisement in the wallet app. Or a persistent notification badge to turn on iCloud. I’ve made my decisions, leave me alone!
- elros 1y ago
  > I’ve made my decisions, leave me alone! Perhaps you and GP aren't really the target market for their products. Part of why, after many years of Slackware and Arch Linux on desktops I assembled myself, compiling kernel modules, etc etc, I decided to pay Apple for the past decade is exactly because I don't want to make these decisions. Frankly I pay Apple for the following things, in order or descending importance to me: 1) Decisions / sensible defaults / ecosystem / walled garden; 2) MagSafe cable so I don't trip on cords and/or damage my machines; 3) The subjective feeling that their corporate interests are more aligned with mine than other players in the market, viz. privacy etc.; 4) Pixel density; 5) Well-built aluminum bodies; 6) Large trackpads; To be fair, I'm not saying the prompting for things I don't want (e.g. I don't consume any media services or exercise stuff) isn't annoying, but it seems to only happen once I switch devices every few years. It's been useful for me to discover services I wouldn't know about otherwise, which I now am a customer of, such as iCloud.
  - Esophagus4 1y ago
    You make a great point - I am still a Mac user because their ecosystem is thoughtful and cohesive and their computers have lasted forever. I guess I just wish they weren’t so… pushy. As a consumer, I get nudged by all kinds of companies every day, so I get a little… overstimulated (?) by it all, and sometimes just want to use it the way that I want to use the device. I’m also the guy that has turned off notifications for almost every phone app, because it feels invasive of my brain space… I want to decide when I will use an app and when I won’t.
    - Nemi 1y ago
      Is it possible that the reason you can enjoy all the good things that a Mac brings is because of, not despite, the fact that they are "pushy" on those things? Without the income from the pushy stuff, they would have to cut corners on the other stuff. Be careful what you wish for, I think the saying goes…
      - Esophagus4 1y ago
        That could very well be… I can’t argue with that. A company with plenty of income can invest in all sorts of nice things. Guess it’s same way I scoff at the Porsche SUVs, but they fund R&D for the 911.
- tomalbrc 1y ago
  Or Firefox asking me to make it my default browser for the billionth time
- scarface_74 1y ago
  I can’t defend the Apple Card. But having a persistent notification to turn on iCloud is good for the user so they don’t lose irreplaceable pictures. Now the fact that fifteen years later that iCloud is only 5GB for free is inexcusable
  - CogitoCogito 1y ago
    > But having a persistent notification to turn on iCloud is good for the user so they don’t lose irreplaceable pictures. Are you saying it's not okay for a user to decide they just plain don't want it? Why shouldn't be they be allowed to dismiss it permanently?
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bradleyankrom 1y ago
A persistent notification badge on Settings because it believes I just haven't gotten to setting up Siri after all these years
Ezhik 1y ago
The one good thing about Apple is that they at least have the decency to shut the fuck up once you pay them. Meanwhile Microsoft kept showing me upsells in File Explorer to move this or that to OneDrive despite me already paying for the damn thing.

Esophagus4 1y ago

Yes - and the Apple Card advertisement in the wallet app. Or a persistent notification badge to turn on iCloud. I’ve made my decisions, leave me alone!

elros 1y ago
> I’ve made my decisions, leave me alone! Perhaps you and GP aren't really the target market for their products. Part of why, after many years of Slackware and Arch Linux on desktops I assembled myself, compiling kernel modules, etc etc, I decided to pay Apple for the past decade is exactly because I don't want to make these decisions. Frankly I pay Apple for the following things, in order or descending importance to me: 1) Decisions / sensible defaults / ecosystem / walled garden; 2) MagSafe cable so I don't trip on cords and/or damage my machines; 3) The subjective feeling that their corporate interests are more aligned with mine than other players in the market, viz. privacy etc.; 4) Pixel density; 5) Well-built aluminum bodies; 6) Large trackpads; To be fair, I'm not saying the prompting for things I don't want (e.g. I don't consume any media services or exercise stuff) isn't annoying, but it seems to only happen once I switch devices every few years. It's been useful for me to discover services I wouldn't know about otherwise, which I now am a customer of, such as iCloud.
- Esophagus4 1y ago
  You make a great point - I am still a Mac user because their ecosystem is thoughtful and cohesive and their computers have lasted forever. I guess I just wish they weren’t so… pushy. As a consumer, I get nudged by all kinds of companies every day, so I get a little… overstimulated (?) by it all, and sometimes just want to use it the way that I want to use the device. I’m also the guy that has turned off notifications for almost every phone app, because it feels invasive of my brain space… I want to decide when I will use an app and when I won’t.
  - Nemi 1y ago
    Is it possible that the reason you can enjoy all the good things that a Mac brings is because of, not despite, the fact that they are "pushy" on those things? Without the income from the pushy stuff, they would have to cut corners on the other stuff. Be careful what you wish for, I think the saying goes…
    - Esophagus4 1y ago
      That could very well be… I can’t argue with that. A company with plenty of income can invest in all sorts of nice things. Guess it’s same way I scoff at the Porsche SUVs, but they fund R&D for the 911.
tomalbrc 1y ago
Or Firefox asking me to make it my default browser for the billionth time
scarface_74 1y ago
I can’t defend the Apple Card. But having a persistent notification to turn on iCloud is good for the user so they don’t lose irreplaceable pictures. Now the fact that fifteen years later that iCloud is only 5GB for free is inexcusable
- CogitoCogito 1y ago
  > But having a persistent notification to turn on iCloud is good for the user so they don’t lose irreplaceable pictures. Are you saying it's not okay for a user to decide they just plain don't want it? Why shouldn't be they be allowed to dismiss it permanently?
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bradleyankrom 1y ago

A persistent notification badge on Settings because it believes I just haven't gotten to setting up Siri after all these years

Ezhik 1y ago

The one good thing about Apple is that they at least have the decency to shut the fuck up once you pay them. Meanwhile Microsoft kept showing me upsells in File Explorer to move this or that to OneDrive despite me already paying for the damn thing.