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Tesla already does this. Why no kickback there?

by jaffa2 1y ago

kotaKat 1y ago
The stranger thing here is it's... a whole 27 brake horsepower. I don't even think there's a different part at play at all here, they just decided to figure out how to play with their throttle mappings and stuff and wanted to scrape an extra couple bucks out of the bottom of the barrel. At least Tesla was using some sense of the "ship one battery and restrict it in software" for an actual tangible hardware good versus some software shenanigans in the VW camp (again).
- rikafurude21 1y ago
  In both cases hardware is throttled by software. Theres is no difference, its all software shenanigans.
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
This is a reason also not to purchase a Tesla. Tesla's software subscriptions additionally have the problem that they don't work as advertised.
plqbfbv 1y ago
I guess I'm way more comfortable with a one-time purchase unlock (kind of SW "license" upgrade) rather than a subscription for hardware that I have 100% of the time. Example: Acceleration Boost is a 2k one-time upgrade. Once you purchase it, you get it forever. EAP and FSD are the same: pay once, get for life. Those who purchased FSD before HW3 also got/get included driving computer upgrade. Of course this was done from Tesla to avoid backslash, but at the same time it was done without back-and-forth: they understood the situation and simply rolled it out. FSD subscription makes sense because you purchase more "features", maybe for a limited time, for a much lower price. If your daily driving is 20mi, you probably are fine with AP, and won't justify spending 4k on EAP, 8k on FSD or 100$/mo on the FSD subscription. But maybe if you trip for holidays for a few weeks, you can purchase the subscription for a couple months. If you're daily driving 50+mi, or drive in very busy cities, I can see the 8k purchase offering some value if you want to keep the car more than 6 years (8k/100$ - 80 months, ~6.5y), and you can still try it out via subscription beforehand and decide to not pay the full price upfront. Basically Tesla's model is mostly one-time license fee, except for FSD subscription to ease the access to software-powered features. What VW is doing is selling you hardware, and then asking you to pay every month if you want to unlock its full potential. Honestly this should be illegal, a one-time fee should be the only way allowed. And I recognize they have the option of a one-time fee, but of course they're banking on people opting for the low-cost option and forget they have it active. EDIT: this is also the test bed for more subscription stuff, they want to see how people react to it. If there's no big backslash, expect more subscriptions to come.
- QuiEgo 1y ago
  Per the article: > VW says the "optional power upgrade" will cost £16.50 per month or £165 annually - or people can choose to pay £649 for a lifetime subscription Agree it sucks, but there is a lifetime option, just like with Tesla.
  - plqbfbv 1y ago
    Per my post, before the edit: > And I recognize they have the option of a one-time fee, but of course they're banking on people opting for the low-cost option and forget they have it active.
- xnx 1y ago
  Do these "upgrades" stay with the cat between owners?
  - plqbfbv 1y ago
    IIRC in Tesla's case (mostly) yes. I think the only time they remove FSD from resales is when they repurchase the cars to resell themselves and then strip the used ones of FSD/upgrades. With private-to-private, private-to-dealership or dealership-to-private ownership transfers, FSD stays with the car. In most countries they also have "FSD transfer", which means that if you trade-in your current Tesla when purchasing a new one, your FSD "license" is transferred to the new car. As far as I recall, I think this article is still valid on this topic: https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/does-full-self-driving-fsd-transfer-when-you-sell-a-tesla/ https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/does-full-self-driving-f...

Tesla already does this. Why no kickback there?

by jaffa2 1y ago

Tesla already does this. Why no kickback there?

The stranger thing here is it's... a whole 27 brake horsepower. I don't even think there's a different part at play at all here, they just decided to figure out how to play with their throttle mappings and stuff and wanted to scrape an extra couple bucks out of the bottom of the barrel. At least Tesla was using some sense of the "ship one battery and restrict it in software" for an actual tangible hardware good versus some software shenanigans in the VW camp (again).

rikafurude21 1y ago
In both cases hardware is throttled by software. Theres is no difference, its all software shenanigans.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago

This is a reason also not to purchase a Tesla. Tesla's software subscriptions additionally have the problem that they don't work as advertised.

plqbfbv 1y ago

I guess I'm way more comfortable with a one-time purchase unlock (kind of SW "license" upgrade) rather than a subscription for hardware that I have 100% of the time. Example: Acceleration Boost is a 2k one-time upgrade. Once you purchase it, you get it forever. EAP and FSD are the same: pay once, get for life. Those who purchased FSD before HW3 also got/get included driving computer upgrade. Of course this was done from Tesla to avoid backslash, but at the same time it was done without back-and-forth: they understood the situation and simply rolled it out. FSD subscription makes sense because you purchase more "features", maybe for a limited time, for a much lower price. If your daily driving is 20mi, you probably are fine with AP, and won't justify spending 4k on EAP, 8k on FSD or 100$/mo on the FSD subscription. But maybe if you trip for holidays for a few weeks, you can purchase the subscription for a couple months. If you're daily driving 50+mi, or drive in very busy cities, I can see the 8k purchase offering some value if you want to keep the car more than 6 years (8k/100$ - 80 months, ~6.5y), and you can still try it out via subscription beforehand and decide to not pay the full price upfront. Basically Tesla's model is mostly one-time license fee, except for FSD subscription to ease the access to software-powered features. What VW is doing is selling you hardware, and then asking you to pay every month if you want to unlock its full potential. Honestly this should be illegal, a one-time fee should be the only way allowed. And I recognize they have the option of a one-time fee, but of course they're banking on people opting for the low-cost option and forget they have it active. EDIT: this is also the test bed for more subscription stuff, they want to see how people react to it. If there's no big backslash, expect more subscriptions to come.

QuiEgo 1y ago
Per the article: > VW says the "optional power upgrade" will cost £16.50 per month or £165 annually - or people can choose to pay £649 for a lifetime subscription Agree it sucks, but there is a lifetime option, just like with Tesla.
- plqbfbv 1y ago
  Per my post, before the edit: > And I recognize they have the option of a one-time fee, but of course they're banking on people opting for the low-cost option and forget they have it active.
xnx 1y ago
Do these "upgrades" stay with the cat between owners?
- plqbfbv 1y ago
  IIRC in Tesla's case (mostly) yes. I think the only time they remove FSD from resales is when they repurchase the cars to resell themselves and then strip the used ones of FSD/upgrades. With private-to-private, private-to-dealership or dealership-to-private ownership transfers, FSD stays with the car. In most countries they also have "FSD transfer", which means that if you trade-in your current Tesla when purchasing a new one, your FSD "license" is transferred to the new car. As far as I recall, I think this article is still valid on this topic: https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/does-full-self-driving-fsd-transfer-when-you-sell-a-tesla/ https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/does-full-self-driving-f...