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I boot into my Windows partition for work-related activities often, and hear about the demise of Windows all the time. Am I the only one who doesn't see it? I

I boot into my Windows partition for work-related activities often, and hear about the demise of Windows all the time. Am I the only one who doesn't see it? I have all of the annoying stuff disabled, and basically have installed nothing besides the standard productivity/office tools. For me it's just a clean setup that stays out of my way. I'm running an 11 EAP build, and even then it doesn't crash, the software just works, and I never tinker with configuration or anything. I trust people are in fact having issues, I just can't relate. Maybe it's how I'm using it.

croes 1y ago
> I have all of the annoying stuff disabled, and basically have installed nothing besides the standard productivity/office tools. Not everyone knows how to do that
the__alchemist 1y ago
I worry that things like ads in the start menu/search, OneDrive/Xbox/Office nags etc will morph into full enshittification, and ads you can't get rid of. It hasn't happened to an intolerable degree yet, but seems to be gradually getting worse.
le-mark 1y ago
It’s your install. You aren’t running a consumer machine with all the garbage and bloat ware installed. My wife and I had personal laptops the same hardware level. Mine had a clean windows 10 install I paid some guy to do. Hers wasn’t. Hers became unusable after a year. My kid still uses mine several years later.
- justsomehnguy 1y ago
  > I paid some guy to do Go to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11 Download ISO Use RuFus (if you are lazy) or manually write it a thumb drive or even just unpack it on your primary drive, launch install. Here, your fresh and clean (almost, some stuff would get in through the WU if you are running a branded machine) install. 3
  - CoolCold 1y ago
    Well, built in feature of Reset PC will even download fresh iso for you and will boot in fresh install. Optionally you may ask to keep your files too.
troupo 1y ago
> I have all of the annoying stuff disabled How long did it take you to disable everything, and in you many places? Are you sure you've disabled everything, or just learned to live with it (e.g. Win+S search defaults to first searching the internet, and only then showing local results)
- maccard 1y ago
  I can make the same complaint about any Linux desktop environment. But to answer your question, about 45 seconds with https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat > or just learned to live with it If I’ve learned to live with it it’s not annoying stuff anymore.
  - pessimizer 1y ago
    In all Linux desktop environments, you have to spend a bunch of time cleaning out its adware, surveillance, work around its desire to use a remote password to access your local computer, and somehow suppress its desire to move your local files to the cloud? This is not actually true in any way. When you install Debian, or most distros, you spend no time on this. If Ubuntu or Firefox slips something in that looks anything like an ad or a necessary cloud or telemetry, you scream it to the hills. edit: if you consider your sibling replies, the time that it takes for a very technical person to get their Windows system usable is between 15 minutes and a week, and it involves dozens of steps.
    - maccard 1y ago
      > In all Linux desktop environments, you have to spend a bunch of time cleaning out its adware, surveillance, work around its desire to use a remote password to access your local computer, and somehow suppress its desire to move your local files to the cloud? Hold on a second, that’s not what I said. I said that Linux environments have “annoying stuff”. Firefox has been “slipping in” stuff for the past decade, Ubuntu and gentoo have terminal ads, Debian required extra steps to get my hardware working, and arch is the epitome of “I will never be done tweaking stuff”
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croes 1y ago

> I have all of the annoying stuff disabled, and basically have installed nothing besides the standard productivity/office tools. Not everyone knows how to do that

the__alchemist 1y ago

I worry that things like ads in the start menu/search, OneDrive/Xbox/Office nags etc will morph into full enshittification, and ads you can't get rid of. It hasn't happened to an intolerable degree yet, but seems to be gradually getting worse.

le-mark 1y ago

It’s your install. You aren’t running a consumer machine with all the garbage and bloat ware installed. My wife and I had personal laptops the same hardware level. Mine had a clean windows 10 install I paid some guy to do. Hers wasn’t. Hers became unusable after a year. My kid still uses mine several years later.

justsomehnguy 1y ago
> I paid some guy to do Go to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11 Download ISO Use RuFus (if you are lazy) or manually write it a thumb drive or even just unpack it on your primary drive, launch install. Here, your fresh and clean (almost, some stuff would get in through the WU if you are running a branded machine) install. 3
- CoolCold 1y ago
  Well, built in feature of Reset PC will even download fresh iso for you and will boot in fresh install. Optionally you may ask to keep your files too.

troupo 1y ago

> I have all of the annoying stuff disabled How long did it take you to disable everything, and in you many places? Are you sure you've disabled everything, or just learned to live with it (e.g. Win+S search defaults to first searching the internet, and only then showing local results)

maccard 1y ago
I can make the same complaint about any Linux desktop environment. But to answer your question, about 45 seconds with https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat > or just learned to live with it If I’ve learned to live with it it’s not annoying stuff anymore.
- pessimizer 1y ago
  In all Linux desktop environments, you have to spend a bunch of time cleaning out its adware, surveillance, work around its desire to use a remote password to access your local computer, and somehow suppress its desire to move your local files to the cloud? This is not actually true in any way. When you install Debian, or most distros, you spend no time on this. If Ubuntu or Firefox slips something in that looks anything like an ad or a necessary cloud or telemetry, you scream it to the hills. edit: if you consider your sibling replies, the time that it takes for a very technical person to get their Windows system usable is between 15 minutes and a week, and it involves dozens of steps.
  - maccard 1y ago
    > In all Linux desktop environments, you have to spend a bunch of time cleaning out its adware, surveillance, work around its desire to use a remote password to access your local computer, and somehow suppress its desire to move your local files to the cloud? Hold on a second, that’s not what I said. I said that Linux environments have “annoying stuff”. Firefox has been “slipping in” stuff for the past decade, Ubuntu and gentoo have terminal ads, Debian required extra steps to get my hardware working, and arch is the epitome of “I will never be done tweaking stuff”
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