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that is a misleading number. In my country it is almost 100%. Most gets recycled, the rest used as fuel in energyplants. The real problem is the 10 countries

that is a misleading number. In my country it is almost 100%. Most gets recycled, the rest used as fuel in energyplants. The real problem is the 10 countries in the world that are responsible for 90% of dumping stuff in the rivers (all in south asia and africa).

AlecSchueler 1y ago
> In my country it is almost 100%. > Most gets recycled, the rest used as fuel in energyplants. Do want to share how much work your "almost" is doing here? > the 10 countries in the world that are responsible for 90% of dumping stuff in the rivers (all in south asia and africa). How much of it is their own waste? How much was produced for Western consumers and then off-loaded onto them?
- tonfa 1y ago
  > How much of it is their own waste? How much was produced for Western consumers and then off-loaded onto them? From following ocean cleanup project, for plastic ending up in the ocean it's usually own waste. The issue is countries that don't have working waste collection systems, any rainpour will often wash out the trash into river/oceans. (littering is also an issue in countries with waste management though, but to a smaller degree, I kinda hate when people don't realize that stuff they throw in the street will often end up in rain collectors and directly flow into rivers)
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    Thanks for the reply! I was able to find the source you mentioned. Is there room in the conversation to talk about how much of their "own use" plastic is sold to them by Western companies who control the local markets?
tonfa 1y ago
> In my country it is almost 100%. Do you have a link? I think OP meant actual recycling, not waste collection. I don't think 100% plastic recycling is close to achievable at the moment (even if recycled, it's often downcycled).
user____name 1y ago
Recycling here implies reworking existing plastics into new ones, not just collecting them.
tda 1y ago
Plastic can't be recycled at all, that is a complete myth. The only thing one can practically do is down cycle it, and even that costs more than virgin plastic so is uneconomical. Of course theoretically perfectly clean and pure singly type plastic can be recycled, but that is something very different from post-consumer waste
- htmXlabs 1y ago
  "PET bottles on the Dutch market averaging 44% recycled PET content in 2023". Also, many other products: Fleece jackets are made out of bottles. That's up-cycling, afaik. And lots of packaging materials (bags, shampoo bottles, etc). If it is economical depends on many factors, and can be different in each country. Landfill may be cheap in the US, but extremely expensive in European countries, because there's no un-used land. but yes, what can't be recycled is epoxy (also a plastic).
  - tda 1y ago
    But nearly all plastic recycling companies in the Netherlands have gone bankrupt recently. Unfortunately it is usually best to just burn the plastic for energy. For the case of PET bottles, recycling is possible if: - products are made from a single sort of plastic with the intent of recycling - can be collected as a dedicated waste stream - are not contaminated in a way that is not easily cleaned - there are rules and regulations to offset the added costs As all these conditions have to be met, one might as well use reusable bottles instead of recycling altogether, like we do with glass beer bottles. But then why were plastics used in the first place, as there is then hardly any advantage?
- kjkjadksj 1y ago
  Can’t it be compressed back into a fuel?

AlecSchueler 1y ago

> In my country it is almost 100%. > Most gets recycled, the rest used as fuel in energyplants. Do want to share how much work your "almost" is doing here? > the 10 countries in the world that are responsible for 90% of dumping stuff in the rivers (all in south asia and africa). How much of it is their own waste? How much was produced for Western consumers and then off-loaded onto them?

tonfa 1y ago
> How much of it is their own waste? How much was produced for Western consumers and then off-loaded onto them? From following ocean cleanup project, for plastic ending up in the ocean it's usually own waste. The issue is countries that don't have working waste collection systems, any rainpour will often wash out the trash into river/oceans. (littering is also an issue in countries with waste management though, but to a smaller degree, I kinda hate when people don't realize that stuff they throw in the street will often end up in rain collectors and directly flow into rivers)
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  Thanks for the reply! I was able to find the source you mentioned. Is there room in the conversation to talk about how much of their "own use" plastic is sold to them by Western companies who control the local markets?

tonfa 1y ago

> In my country it is almost 100%. Do you have a link? I think OP meant actual recycling, not waste collection. I don't think 100% plastic recycling is close to achievable at the moment (even if recycled, it's often downcycled).

user____name 1y ago

Recycling here implies reworking existing plastics into new ones, not just collecting them.

tda 1y ago

Plastic can't be recycled at all, that is a complete myth. The only thing one can practically do is down cycle it, and even that costs more than virgin plastic so is uneconomical. Of course theoretically perfectly clean and pure singly type plastic can be recycled, but that is something very different from post-consumer waste

htmXlabs 1y ago
"PET bottles on the Dutch market averaging 44% recycled PET content in 2023". Also, many other products: Fleece jackets are made out of bottles. That's up-cycling, afaik. And lots of packaging materials (bags, shampoo bottles, etc). If it is economical depends on many factors, and can be different in each country. Landfill may be cheap in the US, but extremely expensive in European countries, because there's no un-used land. but yes, what can't be recycled is epoxy (also a plastic).
- tda 1y ago
  But nearly all plastic recycling companies in the Netherlands have gone bankrupt recently. Unfortunately it is usually best to just burn the plastic for energy. For the case of PET bottles, recycling is possible if: - products are made from a single sort of plastic with the intent of recycling - can be collected as a dedicated waste stream - are not contaminated in a way that is not easily cleaned - there are rules and regulations to offset the added costs As all these conditions have to be met, one might as well use reusable bottles instead of recycling altogether, like we do with glass beer bottles. But then why were plastics used in the first place, as there is then hardly any advantage?
kjkjadksj 1y ago
Can’t it be compressed back into a fuel?