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Why didn't the Democrats who were in power repeal it by Jan 2022 by itself or as part of other large bills they passed?

trenchpilgrim 1y ago
Because it was intended to offset losses in tax revenue from the 2017 tax cuts, and trying to undo those tax cuts would have been political suicide.
devonbleak 1y ago
It wouldn't have been budget-neutral without a bunch of tax increases along with it which they don't have the spine to implement.
- ivewonyoung 1y ago
  It had Republican support so they could've easily gotten the 60 votes in the Senate, so it didn't need to be budget-neutral.
gedy 1y ago
Crimethink
Terr_ 1y ago
Among other possible attempts(?) that touched on the issue, here's one in 2024 that Republicans blocked in the Senate, where they "filibustered" it by voting "nay" on cloture. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/118-2024/s230 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/118-2024/s230 > Why didn't the Democrats Alternate question: Why didn't the Republicans do something in the years before 2025 to fix the problem they created and which tech-company lobbyists absolutely told them about?
- ripjaygn 1y ago
  That wasn't a clean bill, it had a bunch of other stuff in it, 86 pages long. Democrats could've passed a bill that only included the repeal of the R&D changes, which they didn't coz they didn't want to. Edit: rate limited coz of politically motivated downvotes, I am done here.
  - blackguardx 1y ago
    86 pages is not long by today's standards. Also, when was the last "clean bill" passed?
  - Terr_ 1y ago
    > Democrats could've This feels like the "only Democrats have agency" story, where Republicans are somehow never to blame because they're just toddlers or forces of nature, while Democrats are always at fault because they didn't stop the Republicans from burning the house down or clean up all the poop from the carpets or whatever, in an endless and impossible race. By your logic, Republicans didn't fix it because they didn't want to either! Why was that? Partisan vengeance against California? > That wasn't a clean bill Well, that one happens to be a bill from a Republican, I was just looking for ones that affected that tax-provision. In any case, did you check out the table-of-contents, and not just the page-length? It may not be as minimal-as-possible, but it's all tax-related stuff.
    - ivewonyoung 1y ago
      > This feels like the "only Democrats have agency" story Because only Democrats had agency when the law took effect? The president can veto any bill. Democrats passed two bills in 2021 and 2022 with zero Republican votes, zero, they could've easily included the repeal in those bills if they wanted to. They didn't coz they didn't want to, their stated policy is to raise taxes on corporations, how is this even debatable? Meanwhile the Republicans at that time had no agency. Once they got agency, they repealed it immediately, with zero Democrat votes. Would you similarly blame the Democrats for all voting against the repeal as part of the BBB that just passed? You wouldn't and your reason would be "but the BBB contained a lot of other things apart from this repeal that the dems didn't like". Why won't you apply the same logic to the non-clean bill you brought up? > By your logic, Republicans didn't fix it because they didn't want to either! Why was that? Partisan vengeance against California? Huh, they fixed it immediately after coming to power. They couldn't fix it before the BBB because it needed to go in reconciliation because the dems don't suppor the repeal. They didn't fix it in 2019 because it wasn't even in effect yet and IIRC dems had the house. So how does the partisan vengeance allegation even make any sense?

Because it was intended to offset losses in tax revenue from the 2017 tax cuts, and trying to undo those tax cuts would have been political suicide.

devonbleak 1y ago

It wouldn't have been budget-neutral without a bunch of tax increases along with it which they don't have the spine to implement.

ivewonyoung 1y ago
It had Republican support so they could've easily gotten the 60 votes in the Senate, so it didn't need to be budget-neutral.

gedy 1y ago

Crimethink

Terr_ 1y ago

Among other possible attempts(?) that touched on the issue, here's one in 2024 that Republicans blocked in the Senate, where they "filibustered" it by voting "nay" on cloture. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/118-2024/s230 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/118-2024/s230 > Why didn't the Democrats Alternate question: Why didn't the Republicans do something in the years before 2025 to fix the problem they created and which tech-company lobbyists absolutely told them about?

ripjaygn 1y ago
That wasn't a clean bill, it had a bunch of other stuff in it, 86 pages long. Democrats could've passed a bill that only included the repeal of the R&D changes, which they didn't coz they didn't want to. Edit: rate limited coz of politically motivated downvotes, I am done here.
- blackguardx 1y ago
  86 pages is not long by today's standards. Also, when was the last "clean bill" passed?
- Terr_ 1y ago
  > Democrats could've This feels like the "only Democrats have agency" story, where Republicans are somehow never to blame because they're just toddlers or forces of nature, while Democrats are always at fault because they didn't stop the Republicans from burning the house down or clean up all the poop from the carpets or whatever, in an endless and impossible race. By your logic, Republicans didn't fix it because they didn't want to either! Why was that? Partisan vengeance against California? > That wasn't a clean bill Well, that one happens to be a bill from a Republican, I was just looking for ones that affected that tax-provision. In any case, did you check out the table-of-contents, and not just the page-length? It may not be as minimal-as-possible, but it's all tax-related stuff.
  - ivewonyoung 1y ago
    > This feels like the "only Democrats have agency" story Because only Democrats had agency when the law took effect? The president can veto any bill. Democrats passed two bills in 2021 and 2022 with zero Republican votes, zero, they could've easily included the repeal in those bills if they wanted to. They didn't coz they didn't want to, their stated policy is to raise taxes on corporations, how is this even debatable? Meanwhile the Republicans at that time had no agency. Once they got agency, they repealed it immediately, with zero Democrat votes. Would you similarly blame the Democrats for all voting against the repeal as part of the BBB that just passed? You wouldn't and your reason would be "but the BBB contained a lot of other things apart from this repeal that the dems didn't like". Why won't you apply the same logic to the non-clean bill you brought up? > By your logic, Republicans didn't fix it because they didn't want to either! Why was that? Partisan vengeance against California? Huh, they fixed it immediately after coming to power. They couldn't fix it before the BBB because it needed to go in reconciliation because the dems don't suppor the repeal. They didn't fix it in 2019 because it wasn't even in effect yet and IIRC dems had the house. So how does the partisan vengeance allegation even make any sense?