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> a weapon designed to deliver untraceable assassinations using shellfish toxin darts. How is that untraceable? Gee, we found an extremely sophisticated shellf

> a weapon designed to deliver untraceable assassinations using shellfish toxin darts. How is that untraceable? Gee, we found an extremely sophisticated shellfish toxin dart in the victim, must be nothing! What a stupid article

dyauspitr 1y ago
Ice needle projectile maybe
- yupyupyups 1y ago
  That one was so famous that people actually tried it out and eventually debunked it. The US establishment, just like any other state engages in propaganda. Like the whole thing about Russia being able to nuke the entire world 1337 times over. All of these claims need to be taken with a grain of salt.
  - lyu07282 1y ago
    > "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" I think they succeeded awhile ago already with that
    - yupyupyups 1y ago
      Sure, then you should provide evidence for that. Otherwise, anyone could claim anything.
      - lyu07282 1y ago
        You wouldn't believe it obviously, that's the point. It's like who started the cuban missile crisis? It was the US placing nukes in Italy and Turkey, how many Americans know that? Everything is like that. Why did 9/11 happen? They just hate our freedom. Et al
imchillyb 1y ago
> There, researchers under Dr. Nathan Gordon, a CIA chemist, mixed shellfish toxin with water and froze the mixture into a small pellet or dart. The finished projectile would be fired from a modified Colt M1911 pistol equipped with an electrical firing mechanism. It had an effective range of 100 meters and was virtually noiseless when fired. > When fired into a target, the frozen dart would immediately melt and release its poisonous payload into the victim’s bloodstream. Shellfish toxins, which are known to completely shut down the cardiovascular system in concentrated doses, would spread to the victim’s heart, mimicking a heart attack and causing death within minutes. > All that would be left behind was a tiny red dot where the dart entered the body, undetectable to those who didn’t know to look for it. As the target lay dying, the assassin could escape without notice. > https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 1y ago
  Sounds even more ridiculous, ice bullet handgun "effective" to 100m? Have you ever fired a handgun? That's quite far for even a conventional handgun I have no doubt they researched it but I highly doubt it was effective or used.
  - cryptonector 1y ago
    To be effective to 100m it would have to have near rifle muzzle velocities, and that would _not_ be "virtually noiseless" because that would be mach 2 or higher, and anything supersonic makes a loud crack. So if it was subsonic then the bullet drop at 100m would be at least a foot and a half. Wind would make its accuracy terrible enough, but then consider how you might stabilize a bullet made of ice... (I know it was a "dart", but the whole thing had to be made of ice or else plenty of evidence would be left behind.) And being an ice bullet (or dart) surely it would be melting along the way and not have enough mass to penetrate the victim's clothing. No, the point blank range of such a weapon would be very short, perhaps not even 20m, and presumably it was meant to be used in public, which would be weird because the gunman would be very conspicuous.
    - 1y ago

dyauspitr 1y ago

Ice needle projectile maybe

yupyupyups 1y ago
That one was so famous that people actually tried it out and eventually debunked it. The US establishment, just like any other state engages in propaganda. Like the whole thing about Russia being able to nuke the entire world 1337 times over. All of these claims need to be taken with a grain of salt.
- lyu07282 1y ago
  > "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" I think they succeeded awhile ago already with that
  - yupyupyups 1y ago
    Sure, then you should provide evidence for that. Otherwise, anyone could claim anything.
    - lyu07282 1y ago
      You wouldn't believe it obviously, that's the point. It's like who started the cuban missile crisis? It was the US placing nukes in Italy and Turkey, how many Americans know that? Everything is like that. Why did 9/11 happen? They just hate our freedom. Et al

imchillyb 1y ago

> There, researchers under Dr. Nathan Gordon, a CIA chemist, mixed shellfish toxin with water and froze the mixture into a small pellet or dart. The finished projectile would be fired from a modified Colt M1911 pistol equipped with an electrical firing mechanism. It had an effective range of 100 meters and was virtually noiseless when fired. > When fired into a target, the frozen dart would immediately melt and release its poisonous payload into the victim’s bloodstream. Shellfish toxins, which are known to completely shut down the cardiovascular system in concentrated doses, would spread to the victim’s heart, mimicking a heart attack and causing death within minutes. > All that would be left behind was a tiny red dot where the dart entered the body, undetectable to those who didn’t know to look for it. As the target lay dying, the assassin could escape without notice. > https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun

2OEH8eoCRo0 1y ago
Sounds even more ridiculous, ice bullet handgun "effective" to 100m? Have you ever fired a handgun? That's quite far for even a conventional handgun I have no doubt they researched it but I highly doubt it was effective or used.
- cryptonector 1y ago
  To be effective to 100m it would have to have near rifle muzzle velocities, and that would _not_ be "virtually noiseless" because that would be mach 2 or higher, and anything supersonic makes a loud crack. So if it was subsonic then the bullet drop at 100m would be at least a foot and a half. Wind would make its accuracy terrible enough, but then consider how you might stabilize a bullet made of ice... (I know it was a "dart", but the whole thing had to be made of ice or else plenty of evidence would be left behind.) And being an ice bullet (or dart) surely it would be melting along the way and not have enough mass to penetrate the victim's clothing. No, the point blank range of such a weapon would be very short, perhaps not even 20m, and presumably it was meant to be used in public, which would be weird because the gunman would be very conspicuous.
  - 1y ago