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What does the DEA have to do with US health insurance, exactly?

by arcfour 1y ago

gopher_space 1y ago
They get to decide how many of each pill manufacturers may produce each year, and how they’re controlled.
- arcfour 1y ago
  Right, so nothing to do with insurance or our system of it.
  - Uehreka 1y ago
    Insurance often refuses to cover ADHD meds, so a lot of us our paying the full price. Which is garbage, and is very much to do with insurance and our system of it.
    - arcfour 1y ago
      That has nothing to do with the DEA though. You're conflating different concerns.
      - Uehreka 1y ago
        We’re mad and we have ADHD. We’re not interested in staying on topic.
Spooky23 1y ago
They issue licenses for making the drugs and getting the raw materials to make them. The process is inflexible at best and if manufacturer A hits their quota, they can’t get additional raw materials, even if manufacturer B has excess. Like most things associated with drug criminality, the rules are stupid and capricious.
- arcfour 1y ago
  And this has nothing to do with insurance, but does have to do with government bureaucracy negatively impacting people getting treatment for an illness.
  - Spooky23 1y ago
    Insurance adds another bureaucratic hoops that negatively impacts patient care and outcomes.
  - dodobirdlord 1y ago
    Health insurance prior authorization policy, approved medication lists, and network pharmacy policies complicate maintaining continuous access during the DEA-imposed artificial shortage by complicating transferring prescriptions to pharmacies that have supply available and transferring prescriptions to substantially-equivalent drugs sold by different manufacturers.
  - jrflowers 1y ago
    I like that you’re posting “check and mate the DEA doesn’t do health insurance” as a gotcha when nobody in this entire thread has at any point said that the DEA is directly involved in health insurance. It is like loudly claiming victory that you have established that doctors aren’t in charge of trimming the hedges in your neighborhood
    - arcfour 1y ago
      No, I'm pointing out that people like yourself are unable to recognize (willfully) government interference resulting in negative outcomes with the government interference you champion. Does it hurt to have this level of cognitive dissonance? "Yes, the government is responsible for these awful things. But if it was responsible for even more things, it would be different and good, because someone told me it would!"
      - jrflowers 1y ago
        > No, I'm pointing out that people like yourself are unable to recognize (willfully) government interference resulting in negative outcomes with the government interference you champion. No you’re not. You’re not doing that at all. You’re just posting “Hey, you know that thing nobody said? What if you believed this thing I just made up? Even though I know you did not, you would surely look pretty silly if you also came up with this wrong thing that I thought of in my head. Just picture what a buffoon you would be if you said something completely different than what you said. I am imagining you doing that and it is very pleasing to me. You look quite the fool and I quite the razor-sharp wit in this scenario that never happened but I am envisioning anyway” It is nonsense, quite literally gibberish. “What if we had an argument and I was right and you were wrong how would that feel” isn’t an argument or a point. It is a dream that you’ve decided to volunteer unprompted that you fantasize about. It is like someone bringing up a new pair of running shoes and you interjecting with your thoughts about the eroticism of feet.

What does the DEA have to do with US health insurance, exactly?

gopher_space 1y ago

They get to decide how many of each pill manufacturers may produce each year, and how they’re controlled.

arcfour 1y ago
Right, so nothing to do with insurance or our system of it.
- Uehreka 1y ago
  Insurance often refuses to cover ADHD meds, so a lot of us our paying the full price. Which is garbage, and is very much to do with insurance and our system of it.
  - arcfour 1y ago
    That has nothing to do with the DEA though. You're conflating different concerns.
    - Uehreka 1y ago
      We’re mad and we have ADHD. We’re not interested in staying on topic.

Spooky23 1y ago

They issue licenses for making the drugs and getting the raw materials to make them. The process is inflexible at best and if manufacturer A hits their quota, they can’t get additional raw materials, even if manufacturer B has excess. Like most things associated with drug criminality, the rules are stupid and capricious.

arcfour 1y ago
And this has nothing to do with insurance, but does have to do with government bureaucracy negatively impacting people getting treatment for an illness.
- Spooky23 1y ago
  Insurance adds another bureaucratic hoops that negatively impacts patient care and outcomes.
- dodobirdlord 1y ago
  Health insurance prior authorization policy, approved medication lists, and network pharmacy policies complicate maintaining continuous access during the DEA-imposed artificial shortage by complicating transferring prescriptions to pharmacies that have supply available and transferring prescriptions to substantially-equivalent drugs sold by different manufacturers.
- jrflowers 1y ago
  I like that you’re posting “check and mate the DEA doesn’t do health insurance” as a gotcha when nobody in this entire thread has at any point said that the DEA is directly involved in health insurance. It is like loudly claiming victory that you have established that doctors aren’t in charge of trimming the hedges in your neighborhood
  - arcfour 1y ago
    No, I'm pointing out that people like yourself are unable to recognize (willfully) government interference resulting in negative outcomes with the government interference you champion. Does it hurt to have this level of cognitive dissonance? "Yes, the government is responsible for these awful things. But if it was responsible for even more things, it would be different and good, because someone told me it would!"
    - jrflowers 1y ago
      > No, I'm pointing out that people like yourself are unable to recognize (willfully) government interference resulting in negative outcomes with the government interference you champion. No you’re not. You’re not doing that at all. You’re just posting “Hey, you know that thing nobody said? What if you believed this thing I just made up? Even though I know you did not, you would surely look pretty silly if you also came up with this wrong thing that I thought of in my head. Just picture what a buffoon you would be if you said something completely different than what you said. I am imagining you doing that and it is very pleasing to me. You look quite the fool and I quite the razor-sharp wit in this scenario that never happened but I am envisioning anyway” It is nonsense, quite literally gibberish. “What if we had an argument and I was right and you were wrong how would that feel” isn’t an argument or a point. It is a dream that you’ve decided to volunteer unprompted that you fantasize about. It is like someone bringing up a new pair of running shoes and you interjecting with your thoughts about the eroticism of feet.