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The Free State Project never got the 20,000 signatories that the idea needed, and so it dissolved. Some people, not liking this failure, decided to move to NH

by nirvana 14y ago

The Free State Project never got the 20,000 signatories that the idea needed, and so it dissolved. Some people, not liking this failure, decided to move to NH anyway, and have perpetuated the "free state project" for the past decade by ignoring the fact that the math doesn't work. Plus the FSP wasn't viable from the beginning: even if they took over the state government, they couldn't overrule federal laws. Minerva was more of an eccentric joke than anything serious. I mean what kind of libertarian is going to build an island and then let the Tongan "navy" take it over because he had no guns. IF you're building a country and you have no guns, you aren't really building a country. Hell, Sealand, has successfully put off a german invasion, and, having been recognized by the UK and still standing for decades now counts as a success. Honduras is in the starting stages. But unlike the FSP they have the endorsement of the federal government. Sure it has its risk- no joke- but I'm glad to see they are trying. I count Sealand as a win, disqualify minerva, and claim the free state project recognized it wasn't viable and didn't try.

stcredzero 14y ago
> ...have perpetuated the "free state project" for the past decade by ignoring the fact that the math doesn't work. Ignores the numbers...sounds like politics as usual. > I count Sealand as a win,..." I observe that the bar for "win" is very, very low.
philwelch 14y ago
> The Free State Project never got the 20,000 signatories that the idea needed, and so it dissolved There wasn't a deadline or anything; the FSP is still active. Sealand doesn't count since it wasn't a libertarian, just an eccentric who wanted to call himself a prince. And he succeeded in persistently squatting on an abandoned fortification in the English Channel, not creating a new society. I didn't know about Minerva--I was talking about the Seasteading Institute, actually.
- nirvana 14y ago
  >There wasn't a deadline or anything; the FSP is still active. No, there was a deadline, and a contract. That deadline passed, and the contract became null. The FSP is dead, according to its own bylaws. What continues to this day is a fraud. Of course, since that deadline was almost a decade ago, and the people running the FSP took down all the info from the website, and have been pretending otherwise, most people have never heard any of this.
  - philwelch 14y ago
    In any case I still count it as an attempt.

by nirvana 14y ago

stcredzero 14y ago

> ...have perpetuated the "free state project" for the past decade by ignoring the fact that the math doesn't work. Ignores the numbers...sounds like politics as usual. > I count Sealand as a win,..." I observe that the bar for "win" is very, very low.

philwelch 14y ago

> The Free State Project never got the 20,000 signatories that the idea needed, and so it dissolved There wasn't a deadline or anything; the FSP is still active. Sealand doesn't count since it wasn't a libertarian, just an eccentric who wanted to call himself a prince. And he succeeded in persistently squatting on an abandoned fortification in the English Channel, not creating a new society. I didn't know about Minerva--I was talking about the Seasteading Institute, actually.

nirvana 14y ago
>There wasn't a deadline or anything; the FSP is still active. No, there was a deadline, and a contract. That deadline passed, and the contract became null. The FSP is dead, according to its own bylaws. What continues to this day is a fraud. Of course, since that deadline was almost a decade ago, and the people running the FSP took down all the info from the website, and have been pretending otherwise, most people have never heard any of this.
- philwelch 14y ago
  In any case I still count it as an attempt.