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ADHD is a neurodevelopmental disorder that's highly inheritable.

bluefirebrand 1y ago
Yeah both my parents show some signs of it tbh but neither as severely as me
woadwarrior01 1y ago
I've seen first hand that assortative mating[1] is also very prevalent with ADHD. Which makes it even more heritable. [1]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33322995/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33322995/
- notfromhere 1y ago
  in my own family line it is painfully obvious that it's a heritable disorder.
skeezyboy 1y ago
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- notfromhere 1y ago
  Why should I relieve you of the joys of self-directed learning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivit...
- squigz 1y ago
  What exactly is the point you're driving at, if any? Why are you asking these questions?
  - skeezyboy 1y ago
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    - alfiedotwtf 1y ago
      Needing to fix ADHD is itself a cultural thing. Back 100 years ago, you didn’t need an 8 hour attention span to sit at a desk staring at a monitor while the AC dries your eyeballs until they feel like foil scratching on a blackboard
      - notfromhere 1y ago
        100 years ago people smoked like chimneys and were basically self-medicating with nicotine. The classic 'coffee and a cigarette' breakfast is the most ADHD-coded thing imaginable.
      - squigz 1y ago
        No instead you might sit at a desk writing by lamplight, having your eyes dried out by smoke, assailed by the smell of horse dung (among other things) I really don't understand this idea that people with ADHD didn't suffer in the past or that the problems we face would magically disappear if society was just organized a bit differently. Would it alleviate a lot of the pressure? Certainly, but it wouldn't do away with the problems. It's the same with autism.
      - danaris 1y ago
        There are ways in which ADHD is a societal issue rather than an individual one, sure. But they're not the whole of ADHD. If I habitually lose track of time, get wrapped up in the game that I'm playing, and forget to meet up with my friends when we've agreed to because of it, I'm going to lose friends. That's not a societal problem, that's just how relationships work. If I absentmindedly leave a half-eaten yogurt out on the counter, and my clutter blindness makes me forget it's there for a week, it's going to grow mold. That's not a cultural thing, that's just how mold works. And so on.
        skeezyboy 1y ago
        >If I habitually lose track of time why have you decided this is unfixable? > If I absentmindedly leave a half-eaten yogurt out on the counter, and my clutter blindness makes me forget sorry, what? clutter-blindness? is this a clinical testable condition, or just something invented for adhd?
skeezyboy 1y ago
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- nahikoa 1y ago
  Not quite? Here's the DSM-5 criteria: https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/patient_care/adhd_toolkit/adhd19-assessment-table1.pdf https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/patient_care/adhd_to...
  - skeezyboy 1y ago
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    - 542354234235 1y ago
      Additional context. > Symptoms and/or behaviors that have persisted ≥ 6 months in ≥ 2 settings (e.g., school, home, church). Symptoms have negatively impacted academic, social, and/or occupational functioning. Inpatients aged < 17 years, ≥ 6 symptoms are necessary; in those aged ≥ 17 years, ≥ 5 symptoms are necessary. Clearly these aren't saying "have they ever misplaced anything?" or "have they ever forgotten anything?". Sure, most people have had some of these things happen some of the time. Yeah, all kids find homework boring, but most kids are still able to do it. Most kids forget things, but aren't losing multiple coats every winter. Most people aren't experiencing these symptoms to such a degree that it significantly impacts their ability to function.
      - skeezyboy 1y ago
        Most people aren't experiencing these symptoms to such a degree that it significantly impacts their ability to function. it only has to negatively impact academic, social or occupational functioning - according to the patient or parent. ie its subjective, anyone can claim to be having a bad time and that "hey i forget things, im a clutz!" now i have adhd.
    - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
      Pain is entirely subjective and self reported, but we are still pretty sure it exists, and we have medical treatments for it.
Ancapistani 1y ago
Obviously it's characterized as a disorder, but I really think that perspective should be challenged. Like autism, the diagnostic criteria are almost exclusively framed in how other people are impacted or inconvenienced by it. Very little attention is paid to the experience of the person actually living with it. I see it as a difference, but not necessarily a disorder. As someone with "severe" ADHD there are tons of things that I'm substantially better at than I would be if not for the condition. I believe ADHD is "rising" because our culture has grown more homogenous in recent decades, resulting in people with ADHD attempting to adapt to environments that are designed for and run by people without ADHD.
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  I think you are half right. The criteria for hyperactive type seem to match what you are saying, but the criteria for inattentive type are more about the patient. My symptoms are all about how they are holding me back, and nothing about how they inconvenience the people around me.
- notfromhere 1y ago
  Do you have ADHD? Because as someone that has it, it's definitely very much something that heavily impacts the individual with it, and not just society. It's hard to consistent do things, form habits, maintain attention. You have almost a lack of object permanence, a hard time remembering long-term memories, etc. There are so many problems it causes that aren't even occupational related but lead to negative outcomes outside of your personal engagement in social and economic environments. Yes, society isn't really designed for folks with ADHD, but also the prevalence of ADHD was somewhat disguised by the fact that mental health had a social stigma and that smoking was incredibly common and people were basically microdosing stimulants every hour as such. It's not that shocking to think that the decline in smoking made adhd much more apparent.
  - skeezyboy 1y ago
    did you only read half before your rage-reflex had you posting this adhd diatribe? he says he has ADHD if youd have read to the end

Yeah both my parents show some signs of it tbh but neither as severely as me

I've seen first hand that assortative mating[1] is also very prevalent with ADHD. Which makes it even more heritable. [1]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33322995/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33322995/

notfromhere 1y ago
in my own family line it is painfully obvious that it's a heritable disorder.

skeezyboy 1y ago

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notfromhere 1y ago
Why should I relieve you of the joys of self-directed learning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivit...
squigz 1y ago
What exactly is the point you're driving at, if any? Why are you asking these questions?
- skeezyboy 1y ago
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  - alfiedotwtf 1y ago
    Needing to fix ADHD is itself a cultural thing. Back 100 years ago, you didn’t need an 8 hour attention span to sit at a desk staring at a monitor while the AC dries your eyeballs until they feel like foil scratching on a blackboard
    - notfromhere 1y ago
      100 years ago people smoked like chimneys and were basically self-medicating with nicotine. The classic 'coffee and a cigarette' breakfast is the most ADHD-coded thing imaginable.
    - squigz 1y ago
      No instead you might sit at a desk writing by lamplight, having your eyes dried out by smoke, assailed by the smell of horse dung (among other things) I really don't understand this idea that people with ADHD didn't suffer in the past or that the problems we face would magically disappear if society was just organized a bit differently. Would it alleviate a lot of the pressure? Certainly, but it wouldn't do away with the problems. It's the same with autism.
    - danaris 1y ago
      There are ways in which ADHD is a societal issue rather than an individual one, sure. But they're not the whole of ADHD. If I habitually lose track of time, get wrapped up in the game that I'm playing, and forget to meet up with my friends when we've agreed to because of it, I'm going to lose friends. That's not a societal problem, that's just how relationships work. If I absentmindedly leave a half-eaten yogurt out on the counter, and my clutter blindness makes me forget it's there for a week, it's going to grow mold. That's not a cultural thing, that's just how mold works. And so on.
      - skeezyboy 1y ago
        >If I habitually lose track of time why have you decided this is unfixable? > If I absentmindedly leave a half-eaten yogurt out on the counter, and my clutter blindness makes me forget sorry, what? clutter-blindness? is this a clinical testable condition, or just something invented for adhd?

skeezyboy 1y ago

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nahikoa 1y ago
Not quite? Here's the DSM-5 criteria: https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/patient_care/adhd_toolkit/adhd19-assessment-table1.pdf https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/patient_care/adhd_to...
- skeezyboy 1y ago
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  - 542354234235 1y ago
    Additional context. > Symptoms and/or behaviors that have persisted ≥ 6 months in ≥ 2 settings (e.g., school, home, church). Symptoms have negatively impacted academic, social, and/or occupational functioning. Inpatients aged < 17 years, ≥ 6 symptoms are necessary; in those aged ≥ 17 years, ≥ 5 symptoms are necessary. Clearly these aren't saying "have they ever misplaced anything?" or "have they ever forgotten anything?". Sure, most people have had some of these things happen some of the time. Yeah, all kids find homework boring, but most kids are still able to do it. Most kids forget things, but aren't losing multiple coats every winter. Most people aren't experiencing these symptoms to such a degree that it significantly impacts their ability to function.
    - skeezyboy 1y ago
      Most people aren't experiencing these symptoms to such a degree that it significantly impacts their ability to function. it only has to negatively impact academic, social or occupational functioning - according to the patient or parent. ie its subjective, anyone can claim to be having a bad time and that "hey i forget things, im a clutz!" now i have adhd.
  - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
    Pain is entirely subjective and self reported, but we are still pretty sure it exists, and we have medical treatments for it.

Ancapistani 1y ago

Obviously it's characterized as a disorder, but I really think that perspective should be challenged. Like autism, the diagnostic criteria are almost exclusively framed in how other people are impacted or inconvenienced by it. Very little attention is paid to the experience of the person actually living with it. I see it as a difference, but not necessarily a disorder. As someone with "severe" ADHD there are tons of things that I'm substantially better at than I would be if not for the condition. I believe ADHD is "rising" because our culture has grown more homogenous in recent decades, resulting in people with ADHD attempting to adapt to environments that are designed for and run by people without ADHD.

amanaplanacanal 1y ago
I think you are half right. The criteria for hyperactive type seem to match what you are saying, but the criteria for inattentive type are more about the patient. My symptoms are all about how they are holding me back, and nothing about how they inconvenience the people around me.
notfromhere 1y ago
Do you have ADHD? Because as someone that has it, it's definitely very much something that heavily impacts the individual with it, and not just society. It's hard to consistent do things, form habits, maintain attention. You have almost a lack of object permanence, a hard time remembering long-term memories, etc. There are so many problems it causes that aren't even occupational related but lead to negative outcomes outside of your personal engagement in social and economic environments. Yes, society isn't really designed for folks with ADHD, but also the prevalence of ADHD was somewhat disguised by the fact that mental health had a social stigma and that smoking was incredibly common and people were basically microdosing stimulants every hour as such. It's not that shocking to think that the decline in smoking made adhd much more apparent.
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  did you only read half before your rage-reflex had you posting this adhd diatribe? he says he has ADHD if youd have read to the end