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Why? I don't really disagree with you but I wonder how the thwarted sense of "my body in the world" is so connected to ADHD while not being connected at all to

Why? I don't really disagree with you but I wonder how the thwarted sense of "my body in the world" is so connected to ADHD while not being connected at all to executive functioning (which in my perception is what amphetamines help with).

bluefirebrand 1y ago
ADHD is strongly associated with inattentiveness and daydreaming so it's not that surprising that people who are daydreaming or not paying attention tend to get injured walking or driving into thinks more often
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  its a bit more than an association, theyre symptoms
ravenstine 1y ago
My understanding is that motor coordination is a mostly separate issue from attention regulation and task completion, so it would make sense that a stimulant would address focus and impulsivity (as well as suicidality and criminality by proxy of those) but not clumsiness. Also, one can have ADHD without being clumsy, but being clumsy alone does not quality for ADHD. I could be completely wrong, but hopefully that explains my take better. I'd be happy for someone to correct me.
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  isnt clumsiness always self-reported? ie no clinical test
- kruffalon 1y ago
  Not a fan of "clumsy" reminds me too much of "lazy"... Anyway, back on topic: I wonder if there are 2 specific neurodivergencies going on that got wrapped up into ADHD, but only one actually has to do with executive functioning and serotonin (the 70% that get helped by amphetamines) while the other has to do with sensory and body awareness stuff. If they have high enough co-morbidity or are weirdly co-morbid so that we never see the body stuff unless the person has ADHD we might have a difficult time seeing them as 2 different things that might be close by brain-location or gene-expression or something. There are murmurs around me about celiac disease being related to ADHD and autism so that would be another thing in the neurodivergent body area
  - cluckindan 1y ago
    There are two main variants of ADHD: primarily hyperactive, and primarily inattentive. Then there is a combined type.
eightysixfour 1y ago
My hypothesis - body awareness and injury avoidance is learned and ADHD folks have a less effective reward loop. While the meds help with the reward loop, the person has decades of catching up to do for body awareness.

bluefirebrand 1y ago

ADHD is strongly associated with inattentiveness and daydreaming so it's not that surprising that people who are daydreaming or not paying attention tend to get injured walking or driving into thinks more often

skeezyboy 1y ago
its a bit more than an association, theyre symptoms

ravenstine 1y ago

My understanding is that motor coordination is a mostly separate issue from attention regulation and task completion, so it would make sense that a stimulant would address focus and impulsivity (as well as suicidality and criminality by proxy of those) but not clumsiness. Also, one can have ADHD without being clumsy, but being clumsy alone does not quality for ADHD. I could be completely wrong, but hopefully that explains my take better. I'd be happy for someone to correct me.

skeezyboy 1y ago
isnt clumsiness always self-reported? ie no clinical test
kruffalon 1y ago
Not a fan of "clumsy" reminds me too much of "lazy"... Anyway, back on topic: I wonder if there are 2 specific neurodivergencies going on that got wrapped up into ADHD, but only one actually has to do with executive functioning and serotonin (the 70% that get helped by amphetamines) while the other has to do with sensory and body awareness stuff. If they have high enough co-morbidity or are weirdly co-morbid so that we never see the body stuff unless the person has ADHD we might have a difficult time seeing them as 2 different things that might be close by brain-location or gene-expression or something. There are murmurs around me about celiac disease being related to ADHD and autism so that would be another thing in the neurodivergent body area
- cluckindan 1y ago
  There are two main variants of ADHD: primarily hyperactive, and primarily inattentive. Then there is a combined type.

eightysixfour 1y ago

My hypothesis - body awareness and injury avoidance is learned and ADHD folks have a less effective reward loop. While the meds help with the reward loop, the person has decades of catching up to do for body awareness.