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> 4. Backers of the project weren't ordering anything, and are naive if they think they were. Anybody know the Latin for "backer beware"? Kickstartus misleadum

> 4. Backers of the project weren't ordering anything, and are naive if they think they were. Anybody know the Latin for "backer beware"? Kickstartus misleadum. Kickstarter does not make it clear that the users are "backing" and that it's not guaranteed they will deliver. As you can see from the comments mentioned in the article (and the comments on the Kickstarter "comments" section of the pebble project) it seems a lot of people think they're pre-ordering and not "backing". This is all that Kickstarter includes on the backing page: http://i.imgur.com/WQlBU.png http://i.imgur.com/WQlBU.png

zevyoura 14y ago
That text in that image seems pretty clear to me.
mattmanser 14y ago
Where in the comments? Am I looking at the right ones? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android/comments http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper... I can find some from like 3 weeks ago, mainly one guy 'Graeme' who seems to have changed his name to 'Grrr' while everyone else is saying, 'no, Graeme, they said it was best case'. All the other comments seem upbeat and excited. Also it's not really comments in the article, it's a singular comment and a singular cherry-picked quote from the kickstarter comments, as in two. With no mention of the encouragement comments. The quote is from one guy Joshua Hernandez who seems to have been featured in this author's articles before. Seems it was a slow news day for the author and he picked a story out of his back pocket. I wouldn't call this a balanced piece. And no quote from the company. Also check the recent AMA, is there major outrage there? Is perhaps the shipping date drama the most u/ved question? http://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/y7pki/august_ama_ask_the_pebble_team_anything/ http://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/y7pki/august_ama_ask... No. I'm not a backer or affiliated in any way what so ever. But are lots of people blowing their lid over this as the article suggests? No. Are people upvoting this story out of some sort of weird Schadenfreude. Probably. This story kinda has a smell to it. It's a bit like code smell. One guy quoted over and over. Check. No company quote. Check. No real evidence. Check. Stinky!
mbreese 14y ago
How is it misleading? It's called a pledge, not a purchase. From the page: How do I pledge? (It doesn't say: How do I buy?) You pledge because you'd like to see the project exist, not because you need a watch. It just so happens that if you pledged enough, they would also send you a watch. I personally never look at the deadlines for Kickstarter projects - they are at best estimates. I don't know when my Pebble will arrive, but I know that it will eventually. All of this hype is way overblown. We're not talking Duke Nukem Forever here.
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gavinlynch 14y ago
>> "Kickstarter does not make it clear that the users are "backing" and that it's not guaranteed they will deliver." In this modern world of litigation, they have to say it. But come on, do they really have to say it?? A single ounce of common sense would tell you that this is inherently a risky proposition. I really can't sympathize with backers who did not prepare themselves for the possibility that not all business ventures are successful and deliver on time, regardless of their prior experience.
nhangen 14y ago
Pre-ordering and backing are the same thing, else what is the point of rewards and a 100% funds raised threshold?

zevyoura 14y ago

That text in that image seems pretty clear to me.

mattmanser 14y ago

Where in the comments? Am I looking at the right ones? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android/comments http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper... I can find some from like 3 weeks ago, mainly one guy 'Graeme' who seems to have changed his name to 'Grrr' while everyone else is saying, 'no, Graeme, they said it was best case'. All the other comments seem upbeat and excited. Also it's not really comments in the article, it's a singular comment and a singular cherry-picked quote from the kickstarter comments, as in two. With no mention of the encouragement comments. The quote is from one guy Joshua Hernandez who seems to have been featured in this author's articles before. Seems it was a slow news day for the author and he picked a story out of his back pocket. I wouldn't call this a balanced piece. And no quote from the company. Also check the recent AMA, is there major outrage there? Is perhaps the shipping date drama the most u/ved question? http://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/y7pki/august_ama_ask_the_pebble_team_anything/ http://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/y7pki/august_ama_ask... No. I'm not a backer or affiliated in any way what so ever. But are lots of people blowing their lid over this as the article suggests? No. Are people upvoting this story out of some sort of weird Schadenfreude. Probably. This story kinda has a smell to it. It's a bit like code smell. One guy quoted over and over. Check. No company quote. Check. No real evidence. Check. Stinky!

mbreese 14y ago

How is it misleading? It's called a pledge, not a purchase. From the page: How do I pledge? (It doesn't say: How do I buy?) You pledge because you'd like to see the project exist, not because you need a watch. It just so happens that if you pledged enough, they would also send you a watch. I personally never look at the deadlines for Kickstarter projects - they are at best estimates. I don't know when my Pebble will arrive, but I know that it will eventually. All of this hype is way overblown. We're not talking Duke Nukem Forever here.

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gavinlynch 14y ago

>> "Kickstarter does not make it clear that the users are "backing" and that it's not guaranteed they will deliver." In this modern world of litigation, they have to say it. But come on, do they really have to say it?? A single ounce of common sense would tell you that this is inherently a risky proposition. I really can't sympathize with backers who did not prepare themselves for the possibility that not all business ventures are successful and deliver on time, regardless of their prior experience.

nhangen 14y ago

Pre-ordering and backing are the same thing, else what is the point of rewards and a 100% funds raised threshold?