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Move briskly and kill people? That's a deadly twist to "move fast and break things" motto. Seriously, Sig Sauer. You are making weapons, not disposable pens,

Move briskly and kill people? That's a deadly twist to "move fast and break things" motto. Seriously, Sig Sauer. You are making weapons, not disposable pens, and the world leading disposable pen company literally uses "standards x 1.5" as their baseline.

eoskx 1y ago
There's another article that is cited where Sig with someone else was apparently developing the fixes to resolve these issues years before the gun was actually tested with the US Army, but didn't deploy the fixes until they were pressured: https://practicalshootinginsights.com/a-year-before-the-armys-sig-sauer-p320-drop-test-failures-bruce-gray-was-already-designing-the-fix/ https://practicalshootinginsights.com/a-year-before-the-army...
- giantg2 1y ago
  And those "fixes" didn't fully resolve the issues.
  - wl 1y ago
    Those fixes apparently resolved the drop safety issues. The uncommanded discharges that have been in the news as of late—where holstered P320s seemingly discharge on their own—is an entirely separate issue. Sig denies that there's a problem, blaming holster designs, debris in holsters, and people lying to cover up their own carelessness. One thing this article fails to mention about the Air Force incident is that the Air Force has made an arrest for "making a false official statement, obstruction of justice and involuntary manslaughter." https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2025/08/08/air-force-makes-arrest-in-airmans-shooting-death-involving-m18-pistol/ https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2025/08/08...
    - giantg2 1y ago
      Sig claims the issue was resolved. Keep in mind that Sig never admitted to the issue. They only issued a voluntary upgrade and never issued a safety recall.
      - wl 1y ago
        Yes, Sig should have issued a recall instead of doing a "voluntary upgrade." Nevertheless, is anyone actually claiming that the upgraded P320 is not drop safe? The issue people are talking about these days is holstered P320s apparently discharging uncommanded, apart from any drops.
        giantg2 1y ago
        I see these as potentially the same thing depending on the details. There are some videos that show the gun was in a holster and not being messed with, etc. It also seems it could be from something hitting the holster (most reports include this). Whether the impact is from being dropped or being struck in the holster (or even vibrations as the one report mentions) is essentially the same - kinetic energy transfer to the gun. The question now is are some of the reports of discharging in the holster due to lies, holster design, debris, etc. I haven't found any official drop testing with the new FCU that found an issue (unofficially there are some, but who knows if the person really has the new FCU in those posts).
        wl 1y ago
        They are not the same issue. The drop safety issue was when the pistol was dropped at a particular angle (that wasn't part of standard tests—how it was missed!), the trigger was massive enough and the trigger pull was light enough that inertia would lead to the trigger moving to the rear, causing the firearm to discharge. It was a very specific failure nothing like any of the alleged uncommanded discharges.
        giantg2 1y ago
        The trigger movement wasn't enough to fully depress from my understanding. The problem is, even a slight depression of the trigger disengages the striker safeties. Most of the uncommanded discharges dod alleged that the gun or holder were struck. There are multiple standards for drop tests requiring various angles and heights.
kotaKat 1y ago
Sig Sauer: “You take some of the shots you don’t make”
imglorp 1y ago
> world leading disposable pen company literally uses "standards x 1.5" as their baseline Curious, what's this referring to?
- bayindirh 1y ago
  Bic. They make pens, lighters and razor blades, at least. For their lighters, they use engineering resins instead of simple plastics. They have their internal standards stricter than EU ones for temperature and drop resistance. They make their own inks for their pens according to their own standards instead of getting from someone. Their razor blades last at least 25% longer than their competitors, and they sell for much cheaper. They are a company of contradictions. Their items are disposable, yet put many "higher tier" items to shame by being better, longer lasting and cheaper at the same time.
  - kergonath 1y ago
    They are fundamentally an engineering and manufacturing company. It’s the same ethos as some Japanese manufacturers who put the effort to produce reliable, accurate tools for cheap and where the marketing department haven’t taken over. They really ought to be better understood.
    - bayindirh 1y ago
      Yes, and I applaud them for what they do and how they do it. Hope they never change.

eoskx 1y ago

There's another article that is cited where Sig with someone else was apparently developing the fixes to resolve these issues years before the gun was actually tested with the US Army, but didn't deploy the fixes until they were pressured: https://practicalshootinginsights.com/a-year-before-the-armys-sig-sauer-p320-drop-test-failures-bruce-gray-was-already-designing-the-fix/ https://practicalshootinginsights.com/a-year-before-the-army...

giantg2 1y ago
And those "fixes" didn't fully resolve the issues.
- wl 1y ago
  Those fixes apparently resolved the drop safety issues. The uncommanded discharges that have been in the news as of late—where holstered P320s seemingly discharge on their own—is an entirely separate issue. Sig denies that there's a problem, blaming holster designs, debris in holsters, and people lying to cover up their own carelessness. One thing this article fails to mention about the Air Force incident is that the Air Force has made an arrest for "making a false official statement, obstruction of justice and involuntary manslaughter." https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2025/08/08/air-force-makes-arrest-in-airmans-shooting-death-involving-m18-pistol/ https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2025/08/08...
  - giantg2 1y ago
    Sig claims the issue was resolved. Keep in mind that Sig never admitted to the issue. They only issued a voluntary upgrade and never issued a safety recall.
    - wl 1y ago
      Yes, Sig should have issued a recall instead of doing a "voluntary upgrade." Nevertheless, is anyone actually claiming that the upgraded P320 is not drop safe? The issue people are talking about these days is holstered P320s apparently discharging uncommanded, apart from any drops.
      - giantg2 1y ago
        I see these as potentially the same thing depending on the details. There are some videos that show the gun was in a holster and not being messed with, etc. It also seems it could be from something hitting the holster (most reports include this). Whether the impact is from being dropped or being struck in the holster (or even vibrations as the one report mentions) is essentially the same - kinetic energy transfer to the gun. The question now is are some of the reports of discharging in the holster due to lies, holster design, debris, etc. I haven't found any official drop testing with the new FCU that found an issue (unofficially there are some, but who knows if the person really has the new FCU in those posts).
        wl 1y ago
        They are not the same issue. The drop safety issue was when the pistol was dropped at a particular angle (that wasn't part of standard tests—how it was missed!), the trigger was massive enough and the trigger pull was light enough that inertia would lead to the trigger moving to the rear, causing the firearm to discharge. It was a very specific failure nothing like any of the alleged uncommanded discharges.
        giantg2 1y ago
        The trigger movement wasn't enough to fully depress from my understanding. The problem is, even a slight depression of the trigger disengages the striker safeties. Most of the uncommanded discharges dod alleged that the gun or holder were struck. There are multiple standards for drop tests requiring various angles and heights.

kotaKat 1y ago

Sig Sauer: “You take some of the shots you don’t make”

imglorp 1y ago

> world leading disposable pen company literally uses "standards x 1.5" as their baseline Curious, what's this referring to?

bayindirh 1y ago
Bic. They make pens, lighters and razor blades, at least. For their lighters, they use engineering resins instead of simple plastics. They have their internal standards stricter than EU ones for temperature and drop resistance. They make their own inks for their pens according to their own standards instead of getting from someone. Their razor blades last at least 25% longer than their competitors, and they sell for much cheaper. They are a company of contradictions. Their items are disposable, yet put many "higher tier" items to shame by being better, longer lasting and cheaper at the same time.
- kergonath 1y ago
  They are fundamentally an engineering and manufacturing company. It’s the same ethos as some Japanese manufacturers who put the effort to produce reliable, accurate tools for cheap and where the marketing department haven’t taken over. They really ought to be better understood.
  - bayindirh 1y ago
    Yes, and I applaud them for what they do and how they do it. Hope they never change.