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> I think it really matters how you talk bad. Telling the police ACAB won't fly anywhere. Asking them to inform you about the law (which you think is different

> I think it really matters how you talk bad. Telling the police ACAB won't fly anywhere. Asking them to inform you about the law (which you think is different than there interpretation of it), might be a start of a conversation. They are also just humans who do their job and want to be treated nicely like everyone else. One of the goals of ACAB folks is to help people understand that this isn't true. Yes, police are humans, but no, you can't reason with them. You as an individual aren't going to overcome the might of the state's propagandizing and training of them to treat you like a potential threat to their life, or at best, a criminal. Modern police training revolves heavily around hyper paranoia around how any interaction could lead to their sudden death. For whatever reason, the apparatus has chosen to create an army of armed, nervous, below-a-defined-level IQ thugs. I personally believe all humans deserve a minimum of respect, but ACAB isn't just a statement of ideology, it's a warning: All bears are hungry, all cops are bastards. You wouldn't try to reason with a bear, you wouldn't make sudden movements around a bear, nor should you do that with a cop. With a cop you should simply say nothing other than wanting to maintain your 5th amendment right to remain silent, and then try to leave an interaction with them or wait for them to take you to jail. ACAB is a warning against attempting for any other outcome, because no other outcome is statistically probable enough to justify taking a risk to achieve. The moment a cop engages with you, you are dealing with a potentially hungry bear.

1718627440 1y ago
So it isn't just an insult, it is a propaganda to treat the representation of your fellow citizens like wild animals, which will cause harm for the believers of the propaganda. That is even more concerning than the literal meaning I took it to mean. I basically disagree with you on all fronts there. You essentially wage civil war. "You know, those guys that come when you are in a live threatening situation (fire, assault), those guys who are regulating your daily activity so that not too much people die by doing dangerous and stupid stuff (speed limit penalties, vehicle checks), those who tell your 'corporate slave master' that you also have rights (workers rights, minimal wage, cartel breakup), yeah they are aliens, enemies. They are merely wild animals not really humans at all, so you can treat them like shit. When they are friendly, don't trust them, don't trust you eyes. When they will fight back, now you see how they truly are." Seriously how can you expect such a society to work? No wonder when you don't have pleasant police encounters. You are actively sabotaging your society. How can you expect it to stay peaceful with your behaviour? So today I learned that the social struggles of the United States are not solely due to politicians and corruption. You guys have way bigger issues there. I can only hope that this is a minority opinion, otherwise civil war will be inevitable.
- komali2 1y ago
  > it is a propaganda to treat the representation of your fellow citizens like wild animals Cops treat Americans like wild animals. I'm not sure how this is news to someone in 2025, when we've had countless stories of police brutality come out and had breaking stories about e.g. the California county sheriff department gangs. I'm warning people about this reality that cops are not what the copaganda would lead us to believe in elementary school. "Just don't resist," how about I send you a video of a cop gleefully pepper spraying not violent protesters sitting on the ground? Shooting into a house during a no knock raid on the wrong house and murdering a woman in her bed? Shooting a man with a rifle as he crawls towards them per their screamed contradictory orders? Shooting blindly into a residential neighborhood because an acorn fell on a squad car? > You know, those guys that come when you are in a live threatening situation (fire, assault), those guys who are regulating your daily activity so that not too much people die by doing dangerous and stupid stuff (speed limit penalties, vehicle checks), those who tell your 'corporate slave master' that you also have rights (workers rights, minimal wage, cartel breakup), Please, no. I checked your post history, you are a smart and informed individual, this gap in your knowledge could be resolved with a single afternoon of Wikipedia. Cops don't save people from fires, they arrest firemen that hurt their fragile egos. Cops don't enforce labor protections, they violently break up strikes. Cops don't save you from assault, they assault you for the crime of recording them, or they watch you get stabbed to death from the other side of a subway carriage door. They don't save you from active shooters, they prevent you from entering the school to rescue your child while they stand around terrified, waiting for the shooter to kill himself. Treat them like shit, my foot. America's most well funded gang deserves my respect? The government already gives them every toy they ask for so they can unleash their depraved need for violence on unarmed people. The Austin Texas cops have a honest to God APC. > Seriously how can you expect such a society to work? I just don't want armed, well funded gangs running amok with no accountability, robbing people blind and beating them with no recourse. That's all. Too much to ask? Little bit of law and order and civility? Cops escalate every situation they arrive at.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    > Cops treat Americans like wild animals. ... Yes truly horrendous. I wonder how that could become that worse. It sounds like you got the repressive state police earlier than the commanding dictator. > I'm not sure how this is news to someone in 2025. I have of course heard about that. However for me the USA is a "far"-away country somewhat about the ocean(, that still affects me negatively). As anything reported I expect this to be somewhat exaggerated. Surely not every policeman will be like that. I would expect them to be a very "vocal" (/active) minority. I just don't see how your advice helps the victims here. When you encounter that gang, you basically have already lost? When you fight back won't you just bring the state against you, so that also the non-gang policeman are against you? And on the (rare?) chance that you meet a decent policeman, you will also turn him against you, which will make the current encounter unpleasant for both of you, might expose you to the "gang" and also serves as a justification for their barbaric behaviour. > I checked your post history, you are a smart and informed individual Thank you very much. :-) > this gap in your knowledge This "gap in my knowledge" is mostly me failing to see some idiotic US men with guns as the pinnacle of a policeman. > I just don't want armed, well funded gangs running amok with no accountability, robbing people blind and beating them with no recourse. That's all. Too much to ask? Yes and no. No, I'm with you on that wish; yes, because the majority of people live not in a first-world country. Sadly this also (now?) applies also to the US-citizens. I seriously think your only chance at improving the situation is becoming a policeman. Ideally the judicative would hold them accountable, but this is messed up in your country as well. Being a policeman protects you from the fate and also lets you be a better civil servant.

1718627440 1y ago

So it isn't just an insult, it is a propaganda to treat the representation of your fellow citizens like wild animals, which will cause harm for the believers of the propaganda. That is even more concerning than the literal meaning I took it to mean. I basically disagree with you on all fronts there. You essentially wage civil war. "You know, those guys that come when you are in a live threatening situation (fire, assault), those guys who are regulating your daily activity so that not too much people die by doing dangerous and stupid stuff (speed limit penalties, vehicle checks), those who tell your 'corporate slave master' that you also have rights (workers rights, minimal wage, cartel breakup), yeah they are aliens, enemies. They are merely wild animals not really humans at all, so you can treat them like shit. When they are friendly, don't trust them, don't trust you eyes. When they will fight back, now you see how they truly are." Seriously how can you expect such a society to work? No wonder when you don't have pleasant police encounters. You are actively sabotaging your society. How can you expect it to stay peaceful with your behaviour? So today I learned that the social struggles of the United States are not solely due to politicians and corruption. You guys have way bigger issues there. I can only hope that this is a minority opinion, otherwise civil war will be inevitable.

komali2 1y ago
> it is a propaganda to treat the representation of your fellow citizens like wild animals Cops treat Americans like wild animals. I'm not sure how this is news to someone in 2025, when we've had countless stories of police brutality come out and had breaking stories about e.g. the California county sheriff department gangs. I'm warning people about this reality that cops are not what the copaganda would lead us to believe in elementary school. "Just don't resist," how about I send you a video of a cop gleefully pepper spraying not violent protesters sitting on the ground? Shooting into a house during a no knock raid on the wrong house and murdering a woman in her bed? Shooting a man with a rifle as he crawls towards them per their screamed contradictory orders? Shooting blindly into a residential neighborhood because an acorn fell on a squad car? > You know, those guys that come when you are in a live threatening situation (fire, assault), those guys who are regulating your daily activity so that not too much people die by doing dangerous and stupid stuff (speed limit penalties, vehicle checks), those who tell your 'corporate slave master' that you also have rights (workers rights, minimal wage, cartel breakup), Please, no. I checked your post history, you are a smart and informed individual, this gap in your knowledge could be resolved with a single afternoon of Wikipedia. Cops don't save people from fires, they arrest firemen that hurt their fragile egos. Cops don't enforce labor protections, they violently break up strikes. Cops don't save you from assault, they assault you for the crime of recording them, or they watch you get stabbed to death from the other side of a subway carriage door. They don't save you from active shooters, they prevent you from entering the school to rescue your child while they stand around terrified, waiting for the shooter to kill himself. Treat them like shit, my foot. America's most well funded gang deserves my respect? The government already gives them every toy they ask for so they can unleash their depraved need for violence on unarmed people. The Austin Texas cops have a honest to God APC. > Seriously how can you expect such a society to work? I just don't want armed, well funded gangs running amok with no accountability, robbing people blind and beating them with no recourse. That's all. Too much to ask? Little bit of law and order and civility? Cops escalate every situation they arrive at.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  > Cops treat Americans like wild animals. ... Yes truly horrendous. I wonder how that could become that worse. It sounds like you got the repressive state police earlier than the commanding dictator. > I'm not sure how this is news to someone in 2025. I have of course heard about that. However for me the USA is a "far"-away country somewhat about the ocean(, that still affects me negatively). As anything reported I expect this to be somewhat exaggerated. Surely not every policeman will be like that. I would expect them to be a very "vocal" (/active) minority. I just don't see how your advice helps the victims here. When you encounter that gang, you basically have already lost? When you fight back won't you just bring the state against you, so that also the non-gang policeman are against you? And on the (rare?) chance that you meet a decent policeman, you will also turn him against you, which will make the current encounter unpleasant for both of you, might expose you to the "gang" and also serves as a justification for their barbaric behaviour. > I checked your post history, you are a smart and informed individual Thank you very much. :-) > this gap in your knowledge This "gap in my knowledge" is mostly me failing to see some idiotic US men with guns as the pinnacle of a policeman. > I just don't want armed, well funded gangs running amok with no accountability, robbing people blind and beating them with no recourse. That's all. Too much to ask? Yes and no. No, I'm with you on that wish; yes, because the majority of people live not in a first-world country. Sadly this also (now?) applies also to the US-citizens. I seriously think your only chance at improving the situation is becoming a policeman. Ideally the judicative would hold them accountable, but this is messed up in your country as well. Being a policeman protects you from the fate and also lets you be a better civil servant.