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Regardless of whether it’s a bad idea, it’s a free choice of the person accepting or rejecting the offer. Describing it as “poaching” denies their agency and po

Regardless of whether it’s a bad idea, it’s a free choice of the person accepting or rejecting the offer. Describing it as “poaching” denies their agency and portrays employees as property of their employer.

TheOtherHobbes 1y ago
If employees have agency, why do they have so little collective control over employment trends?
- wat10000 1y ago
  Because “agency” means making choices and taking actions, not controlling things a million times bigger than yourself.
StopDisinfo910 1y ago
That’s not what poaching means. Poaching describes the comportement of one company towards another. Employees are entirely accessory to what is being described here. What’s meaningful is that Apple was hiring them because of the work they did for Massimo and doing so en masse at a single point of time. If they had just hired experts on blood monitoring to staff a team and some of them happened to be working for Massimo before, it would just be hiring as usual and not described as poaching.
- wat10000 1y ago
  What’s wrong with that? Those employees took the offer of their own volition. There’s nothing wrong with offering someone a job because of their relevant experience. “Employees are entirely accessory” is exactly the shit I’m arguing against here. The whole idea of “poaching” implies that the employees are property, to be guarded by their owners and stolen by others. How can the people who actually do the work and are the entire reason for this so-called “poaching” not be central to it?
  - StopDisinfo910 1y ago
    You are arguing in the void I’m afraid. Once again, poaching describes the comportment of a company towards another. It’s not a statement regarding the morality of accepting of rejecting the offer from the point of view of the employee. It doesn’t in any way implies that employees are the property of a company. The issue is not about whether or not employees are central to work. That much is obvious. The issue is that building a talented team and putting in place the condition for it to properly work is a significant cost. That’s why it’s generally illegal for another company to just come and rehire everyone wholesale. The issue is not even hiring talents from another company. The issue is that it’s targeted. They are not hired because they are extremely talented. They are hired because they work for Massimo and will bring trade secrets with them. I’m sure the Apple of this world would like it being completely legal a lot. It would basically put a damper on any small companies trying to compete with them if they could just come and buy out the team of any potential threat to their hegemony.
    - wat10000 1y ago
      “That’s why it’s generally illegal for another company to just come and rehire everyone wholesale.” Er, what? Can you elaborate on what makes this illegal?
      - StopDisinfo910 1y ago
        The hiring in itself is technically okay but if you do it too much - which is what I implied by wholesale - it makes it hard to defend against allegations that you are not misappropriating trade secrets which is illegal. That’s part of the dispute between Apple and Masimo.
        wat10000 1y ago
        In other words, it’s not at all illegal for another company to come in and hire all of a company’s employees. It is illegal to steal trade secrets.

TheOtherHobbes 1y ago

If employees have agency, why do they have so little collective control over employment trends?

wat10000 1y ago
Because “agency” means making choices and taking actions, not controlling things a million times bigger than yourself.

StopDisinfo910 1y ago

That’s not what poaching means. Poaching describes the comportement of one company towards another. Employees are entirely accessory to what is being described here. What’s meaningful is that Apple was hiring them because of the work they did for Massimo and doing so en masse at a single point of time. If they had just hired experts on blood monitoring to staff a team and some of them happened to be working for Massimo before, it would just be hiring as usual and not described as poaching.

wat10000 1y ago
What’s wrong with that? Those employees took the offer of their own volition. There’s nothing wrong with offering someone a job because of their relevant experience. “Employees are entirely accessory” is exactly the shit I’m arguing against here. The whole idea of “poaching” implies that the employees are property, to be guarded by their owners and stolen by others. How can the people who actually do the work and are the entire reason for this so-called “poaching” not be central to it?
- StopDisinfo910 1y ago
  You are arguing in the void I’m afraid. Once again, poaching describes the comportment of a company towards another. It’s not a statement regarding the morality of accepting of rejecting the offer from the point of view of the employee. It doesn’t in any way implies that employees are the property of a company. The issue is not about whether or not employees are central to work. That much is obvious. The issue is that building a talented team and putting in place the condition for it to properly work is a significant cost. That’s why it’s generally illegal for another company to just come and rehire everyone wholesale. The issue is not even hiring talents from another company. The issue is that it’s targeted. They are not hired because they are extremely talented. They are hired because they work for Massimo and will bring trade secrets with them. I’m sure the Apple of this world would like it being completely legal a lot. It would basically put a damper on any small companies trying to compete with them if they could just come and buy out the team of any potential threat to their hegemony.
  - wat10000 1y ago
    “That’s why it’s generally illegal for another company to just come and rehire everyone wholesale.” Er, what? Can you elaborate on what makes this illegal?
    - StopDisinfo910 1y ago
      The hiring in itself is technically okay but if you do it too much - which is what I implied by wholesale - it makes it hard to defend against allegations that you are not misappropriating trade secrets which is illegal. That’s part of the dispute between Apple and Masimo.
      - wat10000 1y ago
        In other words, it’s not at all illegal for another company to come in and hire all of a company’s employees. It is illegal to steal trade secrets.