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> destroyed all hospitals, churches, mosques and schools along the way Hamas doesn't have an air force, and they're facing an enemy with a good air force and g

> destroyed all hospitals, churches, mosques and schools along the way Hamas doesn't have an air force, and they're facing an enemy with a good air force and good intelligence. They can't have nice things like "zoning", if they stored rockets away from civilians they would all get destroyed. So, in order to have rockets, they must be stored under targets that would cause political trouble if they were to be hit: hospitals, churches, mosques and schools.

cookiengineer 1y ago
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- starik36 1y ago
  > Without Hamas, there can be no Natanyahu That is some grand A nonsense. Netanyahu was first elected in 1996. Hamas was a minor force. Back then it was all about Yasser Arafat.
  - pydry 1y ago
    Hamas took over Gaza in 2007 and shortly after is when Netanyahu delivered those famous briefcases full of cash. His goal in helping them take over was to foment a political split between the Palestinians in order to try to head off any possibility of a two state solution. They provided what he thought of as the ideal justification for a hitler style ethnic cleansing on Oct 7.
    - phatskat 1y ago
      It always blows me away how, historically, actual two-state progress has been intentionally hindered. There was a point way back when at least some meaningful work towards peace was at hand, but when Kissinger got wind of it and he wasn’t the one who could get the credit, he sabotaged the whole thing. Fast forward to Benji saying that the best way to ensure funding for Israel is by having a strong Hamas, and things never change.
      - mu53 1y ago
        The Israeli pm that negotiated the Oslo accords (an important step in the 2 state solution) got assassinated by an Israeli ultranationalist. It is a crazy situation they got there
    - starik36 1y ago
      > famous briefcases full of cash You are mischaracterizing it. Willfully. That makes you a liar. The "briefcases full of cash" were money from Qatar to pay the civil servants to keep the society going because PA wouldn't pay them (given that they were just thrown off the roofs in Gaza by victorious Hamas following a short civil war). Now where that money went is a different conversation. But you are making it look like Netanyahu went into Israel's treasury, filled briefcases full of cash and had someone deliver it to Hamas. You are willfully lying.
      - pydry 1y ago
        It always strikes me how much effort certain people are willing to make to defend a state that is racist to its very core. >Now where that money went is a different conversation This is precisely the conversation we were having. >But you are making it look like Netanyahu went into Israel's treasury I neither said nor implied that. That is a lie. I know that the ultimate source was Qatar. Netanyahu nonetheless delivered it for precisely the reasons I gave. These facts are public and well known, hence why I used the term "famously".
        starik36 1y ago
        > where that money went People do things with the best of intentions. Sometimes it doesn't work. How you went from there to Netanyahu supports the very entity he spent his entire life fighting - that's quite a reach even for the smooth brained pali supporters. > defend a state that is racist to its very core. The Jews wouldn't need a state if they weren't being ethnically cleansed, genocided, resettled, etc... throughout history at the whims of their Muslim or Christian rulers or "neighbors". But as it is, we have wannabe genocidal maniacs running around the world wanting to kill every Jew and, inexplicably supported by the likes of you. So yes, Israel is not only needed - it's required.
  - cookiengineer 1y ago
    > That is some grand A nonsense. Netanyahu was first elected in 1996. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKRFGS_Woww https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKRFGS_Woww - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q... - https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escor...
- moi2388 1y ago
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- energy123 1y ago
  > Without Hamas, there can be no Natanyahu. Without the Second Intifada, you mean. That's the moment when Israel's political left was obliterated according to domestic polling, and it hasn't yet recovered.
paganel 1y ago
I’m sure the Nazis were saying the same thing about the Jewish storing bad things in different ghettos in Eastern Europe.
elygre 1y ago
Random anecdote, probably repeated all over Europe and the rest of the world: During World War II, the top leadership of the Norwegian resistance had most of their meetings in a civilian apartment in the middle of Oslo. One you’re occupied, the only way to do resistance is from civil infrastructure.
tecleandor 1y ago
Isn't that what Israel does? https://qudsnen.co/israels-hidden-front-how-israels-military-embeds-itself-among-civilians/ https://qudsnen.co/israels-hidden-front-how-israels-military...
Saline9515 1y ago
Hamas has an extensive network of tunnels, so it doesn't need to store weapons in hospitals on a permanent basis. Besides, many of those facilities host foreign NGOs which would protest as they'd know that it would justify their targeting. What you are saying is false.
- 1oooqooq 1y ago
  it's almost like the official narratives cannot stand one mere second of critical analysis huh?
agent327 1y ago
And that makes it ok to commit warcrimes? Under that reasoning, which really only comes down to "because it is needed", anything is allowed. Including everything Israel does, because to them, it's also needed. And here's the thing: hamas has extensive underground tunnel networks, so it actually _isn't_ needed to hide among civilians! They do it purely for the optics: every destroyed school or hospital will help sway Western opinion.
skinnymuch 1y ago
You should stop consuming mainstream news so much. It’s not good to believe everything so readily

cookiengineer 1y ago

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starik36 1y ago
> Without Hamas, there can be no Natanyahu That is some grand A nonsense. Netanyahu was first elected in 1996. Hamas was a minor force. Back then it was all about Yasser Arafat.
- pydry 1y ago
  Hamas took over Gaza in 2007 and shortly after is when Netanyahu delivered those famous briefcases full of cash. His goal in helping them take over was to foment a political split between the Palestinians in order to try to head off any possibility of a two state solution. They provided what he thought of as the ideal justification for a hitler style ethnic cleansing on Oct 7.
  - phatskat 1y ago
    It always blows me away how, historically, actual two-state progress has been intentionally hindered. There was a point way back when at least some meaningful work towards peace was at hand, but when Kissinger got wind of it and he wasn’t the one who could get the credit, he sabotaged the whole thing. Fast forward to Benji saying that the best way to ensure funding for Israel is by having a strong Hamas, and things never change.
    - mu53 1y ago
      The Israeli pm that negotiated the Oslo accords (an important step in the 2 state solution) got assassinated by an Israeli ultranationalist. It is a crazy situation they got there
  - starik36 1y ago
    > famous briefcases full of cash You are mischaracterizing it. Willfully. That makes you a liar. The "briefcases full of cash" were money from Qatar to pay the civil servants to keep the society going because PA wouldn't pay them (given that they were just thrown off the roofs in Gaza by victorious Hamas following a short civil war). Now where that money went is a different conversation. But you are making it look like Netanyahu went into Israel's treasury, filled briefcases full of cash and had someone deliver it to Hamas. You are willfully lying.
    - pydry 1y ago
      It always strikes me how much effort certain people are willing to make to defend a state that is racist to its very core. >Now where that money went is a different conversation This is precisely the conversation we were having. >But you are making it look like Netanyahu went into Israel's treasury I neither said nor implied that. That is a lie. I know that the ultimate source was Qatar. Netanyahu nonetheless delivered it for precisely the reasons I gave. These facts are public and well known, hence why I used the term "famously".
      - starik36 1y ago
        > where that money went People do things with the best of intentions. Sometimes it doesn't work. How you went from there to Netanyahu supports the very entity he spent his entire life fighting - that's quite a reach even for the smooth brained pali supporters. > defend a state that is racist to its very core. The Jews wouldn't need a state if they weren't being ethnically cleansed, genocided, resettled, etc... throughout history at the whims of their Muslim or Christian rulers or "neighbors". But as it is, we have wannabe genocidal maniacs running around the world wanting to kill every Jew and, inexplicably supported by the likes of you. So yes, Israel is not only needed - it's required.
- cookiengineer 1y ago
  > That is some grand A nonsense. Netanyahu was first elected in 1996. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKRFGS_Woww https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKRFGS_Woww - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q... - https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escor...
moi2388 1y ago
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energy123 1y ago
> Without Hamas, there can be no Natanyahu. Without the Second Intifada, you mean. That's the moment when Israel's political left was obliterated according to domestic polling, and it hasn't yet recovered.

paganel 1y ago

I’m sure the Nazis were saying the same thing about the Jewish storing bad things in different ghettos in Eastern Europe.

elygre 1y ago

Random anecdote, probably repeated all over Europe and the rest of the world: During World War II, the top leadership of the Norwegian resistance had most of their meetings in a civilian apartment in the middle of Oslo. One you’re occupied, the only way to do resistance is from civil infrastructure.

tecleandor 1y ago

Isn't that what Israel does? https://qudsnen.co/israels-hidden-front-how-israels-military-embeds-itself-among-civilians/ https://qudsnen.co/israels-hidden-front-how-israels-military...

Saline9515 1y ago

Hamas has an extensive network of tunnels, so it doesn't need to store weapons in hospitals on a permanent basis. Besides, many of those facilities host foreign NGOs which would protest as they'd know that it would justify their targeting. What you are saying is false.

1oooqooq 1y ago
it's almost like the official narratives cannot stand one mere second of critical analysis huh?

agent327 1y ago

And that makes it ok to commit warcrimes? Under that reasoning, which really only comes down to "because it is needed", anything is allowed. Including everything Israel does, because to them, it's also needed. And here's the thing: hamas has extensive underground tunnel networks, so it actually _isn't_ needed to hide among civilians! They do it purely for the optics: every destroyed school or hospital will help sway Western opinion.

skinnymuch 1y ago

You should stop consuming mainstream news so much. It’s not good to believe everything so readily