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I touched on this in another comment. We are already doing age verification today, and poorly. > There is a lot of this going on in this thread and frankly it

I touched on this in another comment. We are already doing age verification today, and poorly. > There is a lot of this going on in this thread and frankly it is quite frustrating. Texas and France are two jurisdictions I know implemented privacy laws and now porn websites are collecting PII. I know this because when I traveled to Europe, my account on an adult website (gasp, yes I admit to having one) started asking me for ID. When I tried to proceed through verification with their chosen third party the flow requested a video of my face. Yuck. When I got back the US, it was still requesting face verification. I talked to support and, basically, once I used a French SIM card it "blew a verification fuse" and the only way to get my account back was to send that video of my face. I found this unacceptable, so I abandoned my account. > If we refuse to find a workable solution that respects privacy and is based in open standards, we are going to cede this space to private third party companies. When we deny the government a role, we cede this territory to private companies that are accountable to no one but their shareholders. I'd rather develop ID standards that protect privacy while providing access.

JoshTriplett 1y ago
> I touched on this in another comment. We are already doing age verification today, and poorly. Yes, and we should fight that vigorously and make it stop, not make it "better". > I talked to support and, basically, once I used a French SIM card it "blew a verification fuse" and the only way to get my account back was to send that video of my face. I found this unacceptable, so I abandoned my account. Helpful data, thank you. Note to self: don't browse the web at all in draconian countries without a VPN, not even once. > When we deny the government a role, we cede this territory to private companies that are accountable to no one but their shareholders. I'd rather develop ID standards that protect privacy while providing access. So if we're going to lose, we should try to make it hurt less? That's a strategy for when one has given up on winning.
- Seattle3503 1y ago
  I want harm reduction and pragmatism, yes. Can you tell me that in five years these laws won't be widespread regardless of whatever technology we implement? In five years fewer countries and states will have age verification laws?
  - JoshTriplett 1y ago
    I can tell you that choosing to lose will make it happen faster. I would like to see https://bsky.app/profile/tupped.bsky.social/post/3lwgcmswmy222 https://bsky.app/profile/tupped.bsky.social/post/3lwgcmswmy2... on the top of every major news outlet: > The U.K. Online Safety Act was (avowedly, as revealed in a recent High Court case) "not primarily aimed at protecting children" but at regulating "services that have a significant influence over public discourse."

JoshTriplett 1y ago

> I touched on this in another comment. We are already doing age verification today, and poorly. Yes, and we should fight that vigorously and make it stop, not make it "better". > I talked to support and, basically, once I used a French SIM card it "blew a verification fuse" and the only way to get my account back was to send that video of my face. I found this unacceptable, so I abandoned my account. Helpful data, thank you. Note to self: don't browse the web at all in draconian countries without a VPN, not even once. > When we deny the government a role, we cede this territory to private companies that are accountable to no one but their shareholders. I'd rather develop ID standards that protect privacy while providing access. So if we're going to lose, we should try to make it hurt less? That's a strategy for when one has given up on winning.

Seattle3503 1y ago
I want harm reduction and pragmatism, yes. Can you tell me that in five years these laws won't be widespread regardless of whatever technology we implement? In five years fewer countries and states will have age verification laws?
- JoshTriplett 1y ago
  I can tell you that choosing to lose will make it happen faster. I would like to see https://bsky.app/profile/tupped.bsky.social/post/3lwgcmswmy222 https://bsky.app/profile/tupped.bsky.social/post/3lwgcmswmy2... on the top of every major news outlet: > The U.K. Online Safety Act was (avowedly, as revealed in a recent High Court case) "not primarily aimed at protecting children" but at regulating "services that have a significant influence over public discourse."