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Can you do that on Windows/mac? Gnome devs not withstanding, you have access to the source to change it if you want or put up a PR?

Lerc 1y ago
Being able to make a small change is good when every thing is well defined small parts. You can change the part you want and then use everything else as per normal. If everything is so tightly integrated that you end up having to maintain a fork of a large project, it doesn't work out so well. I don't know which is true for this particular case, but I'd hazard a guess that it is a much bigger task than it needs to be. I have seen Gnome devs talk of removing features because people were using them the wrong way. Not that people weren't using the features at all, just not for the purpose for which they were written. Experiences like that make me think that pull requests wouldn't get you very far either.
- NoGravitas 1y ago
  You can look at the code of an extension that does the move, if you want an idea of what the level of effort is: https://github.com/kuvaus/moveclock https://github.com/kuvaus/moveclock
eviks 1y ago
You can't put up a PR if the gate keepers reject your whole design approach
- cuu508 1y ago
  As a gatekeeper in an unrelated small project, I understand gatekeepers being selective. You have a vision, design standards, quality standards. Drive-by PRs that add "just this one thing I need" features is how your well-designed, cohesive project becomes a kitchen sink of shit.
  - eviks 1y ago
    > You have a vision, design standards, quality standards. Unless, of course, all of those are shit, so a more design-competent person can drive by with an improvement, which will be rejected because it's too shiny
- gf000 1y ago
  Well, yeah. They have their own design approach, if you don't take that into consideration, aren't you the one that in the wrong?
  - eviks 1y ago
    You're not, that depends entirely on the assessment of the relative approaches and whom you care more about, users or a subset of designers closest to the gates. But that's beside the point, the point was the criticism of the "send a PR" even though that resolves nothing due to the mismatch.
Fnoord 1y ago
2025, still cannot have taskbar on left or right side in Windows 11. I can do that on GNOME and macOS. And yes, with 21:9 it is very nice. With a vertical monitor or a 3:2 (Surface), not so much.
- ChocolateGod 1y ago
  You have to install an extension to do that on GNOME, likewise on Windows 11 you can use Explorer Patcher. Both "monkey patch" the shell.
  - skydhash 1y ago
    While I prefer tiling windows manager, GNOME’s approach is sensible. Restrain your features to a restricted default and allow users to extend it if they want to. The code is open and well organized as far as I can see. So it’s very easy to see where to extend from.

Lerc 1y ago

Being able to make a small change is good when every thing is well defined small parts. You can change the part you want and then use everything else as per normal. If everything is so tightly integrated that you end up having to maintain a fork of a large project, it doesn't work out so well. I don't know which is true for this particular case, but I'd hazard a guess that it is a much bigger task than it needs to be. I have seen Gnome devs talk of removing features because people were using them the wrong way. Not that people weren't using the features at all, just not for the purpose for which they were written. Experiences like that make me think that pull requests wouldn't get you very far either.

NoGravitas 1y ago
You can look at the code of an extension that does the move, if you want an idea of what the level of effort is: https://github.com/kuvaus/moveclock https://github.com/kuvaus/moveclock

eviks 1y ago

You can't put up a PR if the gate keepers reject your whole design approach

cuu508 1y ago
As a gatekeeper in an unrelated small project, I understand gatekeepers being selective. You have a vision, design standards, quality standards. Drive-by PRs that add "just this one thing I need" features is how your well-designed, cohesive project becomes a kitchen sink of shit.
- eviks 1y ago
  > You have a vision, design standards, quality standards. Unless, of course, all of those are shit, so a more design-competent person can drive by with an improvement, which will be rejected because it's too shiny
gf000 1y ago
Well, yeah. They have their own design approach, if you don't take that into consideration, aren't you the one that in the wrong?
- eviks 1y ago
  You're not, that depends entirely on the assessment of the relative approaches and whom you care more about, users or a subset of designers closest to the gates. But that's beside the point, the point was the criticism of the "send a PR" even though that resolves nothing due to the mismatch.

Fnoord 1y ago

2025, still cannot have taskbar on left or right side in Windows 11. I can do that on GNOME and macOS. And yes, with 21:9 it is very nice. With a vertical monitor or a 3:2 (Surface), not so much.

ChocolateGod 1y ago
You have to install an extension to do that on GNOME, likewise on Windows 11 you can use Explorer Patcher. Both "monkey patch" the shell.
- skydhash 1y ago
  While I prefer tiling windows manager, GNOME’s approach is sensible. Restrain your features to a restricted default and allow users to extend it if they want to. The code is open and well organized as far as I can see. So it’s very easy to see where to extend from.