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Or just being on the street and appearing Latino: https://www.google.com/search?q=citizens+abducted+by+ice https://www.google.com/search?q=citizens+abducted+by

Or just being on the street and appearing Latino: https://www.google.com/search?q=citizens+abducted+by+ice https://www.google.com/search?q=citizens+abducted+by+ice (See the Guardian story)

throwway120385 1y ago
I figured this was coming. It'll get really bad if we eliminate birthright citizenship because then you'll have to supply papers proving you're a citizen like your parents' or their parents' birth certificates. Good luck providing those to anyone from a prison in Nicaragua or El Salvador.
- apparent 1y ago
  The EO only calls for elimination of birthright citizenship on a prospective basis. It would not affect anyone who is currently a citizen. It would simply be marked on your birth certificate if you were a citizen, based on whether your parents are citizens (either one). This is not at all remarkable, and plenty of countries operate this way. The US is somewhat anomalous in granting citizenship to children born to tourists or illegal immigrants, simply because they were in the US when the child was born.
  - internet_points 1y ago
    wait so if you give birth as a tourist in the US your kid has to fill out IRS and FBAR forms each year even though they only lived in the US for their first week or whatever?
    - CalRobert 1y ago
      Yes, unless they renounce. They might also not be able to invest in their home country and things like the sale of their home are taxed by the US. Starting a business or buying an etf are also fraught with peril. The only other remotely similar country is Eritrea
    - apparent 1y ago
      Not if they never plan to actually live there, I imagine.
    - throwway120385 1y ago
      You'd still have to apply for a Social Security Card for them to have anything to worry about. That's not automatically granted to babies at birth. The hospital should certify the birth and give you paperwork from something like a state's vital records department but you still have to present that to the SSA. Ostensibly yes they are automatically citizens of the US but they're in a weird spot I would think that you could resolve with a court case if the IRS suddenly came after them for back taxes or something when they were adults. Honestly that sounds like such a ridiculous situation that I can't imagine it's happened.
  - GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
    > It would simply be marked on your birth certificate if you were a citizen, based on whether your parents are citizens (either one). hmm, perhaps with a gold star, or a pink triangle?
    - apparent 1y ago
      Probably it would just say, like it does in so many other countries. No need for crypto-conspiracy theories since it's a totally normal thing in most of the world.

Or just being on the street and appearing Latino: https://www.google.com/search?q=citizens+abducted+by+ice https://www.google.com/search?q=citizens+abducted+by+ice (See the Guardian story)

throwway120385 1y ago

I figured this was coming. It'll get really bad if we eliminate birthright citizenship because then you'll have to supply papers proving you're a citizen like your parents' or their parents' birth certificates. Good luck providing those to anyone from a prison in Nicaragua or El Salvador.

apparent 1y ago
The EO only calls for elimination of birthright citizenship on a prospective basis. It would not affect anyone who is currently a citizen. It would simply be marked on your birth certificate if you were a citizen, based on whether your parents are citizens (either one). This is not at all remarkable, and plenty of countries operate this way. The US is somewhat anomalous in granting citizenship to children born to tourists or illegal immigrants, simply because they were in the US when the child was born.
- internet_points 1y ago
  wait so if you give birth as a tourist in the US your kid has to fill out IRS and FBAR forms each year even though they only lived in the US for their first week or whatever?
  - CalRobert 1y ago
    Yes, unless they renounce. They might also not be able to invest in their home country and things like the sale of their home are taxed by the US. Starting a business or buying an etf are also fraught with peril. The only other remotely similar country is Eritrea
  - apparent 1y ago
    Not if they never plan to actually live there, I imagine.
  - throwway120385 1y ago
    You'd still have to apply for a Social Security Card for them to have anything to worry about. That's not automatically granted to babies at birth. The hospital should certify the birth and give you paperwork from something like a state's vital records department but you still have to present that to the SSA. Ostensibly yes they are automatically citizens of the US but they're in a weird spot I would think that you could resolve with a court case if the IRS suddenly came after them for back taxes or something when they were adults. Honestly that sounds like such a ridiculous situation that I can't imagine it's happened.
- GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
  > It would simply be marked on your birth certificate if you were a citizen, based on whether your parents are citizens (either one). hmm, perhaps with a gold star, or a pink triangle?
  - apparent 1y ago
    Probably it would just say, like it does in so many other countries. No need for crypto-conspiracy theories since it's a totally normal thing in most of the world.