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>The stated goal is US dominance of the AI field Any country tries to dominate any field if they can do it, it's just human nature. Why is that a bad thing? T

>The stated goal is US dominance of the AI field Any country tries to dominate any field if they can do it, it's just human nature. Why is that a bad thing? That constant competition for superiority between nations is how humanity has evolved from hunter gatherer to having tractors, microwave ovens, airplanes, internet and penicillin.

byteknight 1y ago
As an American, I obviously can get behind it, but I can easily see how a declared goal of superiority of others would rub those others the wrong way (and possibly prevent their contribution) [Insert xkcd new standard image here]
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  >a declared goal of superiority of others would rub those others the wrong way So what? Does that change anything in how things work in reality? Everyone knows it, so why pussyfoot around it?. Why are people nowadays so sensitive about saying the truth of how things work? Have people been coddled that much that they've can't handle reality? A good life lesson is that the world does not revolve around your feelings.
  - Guthur 1y ago
    It's not my feelings mate, if you don't live outside the US and have not been subjected to their unipolar attitude you will probably never understand and there is literally nothing I'm going to say to convince you of the objective reality the rest of us face.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      Sorry, I wasn't talking about you specifically, but the general "you" as in you the reader.
- laughingcurve 1y ago
  As an American researcher, I can assure you that the Chinese superiority and behavior in the field is certainly ENCOURAGING my contributions.
Herring 1y ago
Yes, competition is good. Monopoly is bad. A more distributed power structure is much better for overall progress, and even for the monopolist in the long run (Ex: Intel).
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  >Monopoly is bad. So what do you propose? Should the US stop development till other countries catch up?
  - Herring 1y ago
    Nah, I'd say just do more anti-monopoly anti-inequality work. Probably start internally, that's a massive enough task on its own (eg breaking up big tech). Assist other countries eg with aid if (and only if) they are doing the same. This is a big topic, ask your favorite frontier LLM about it.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      Unless China does the same that's an unrealistic ask. That would be like doing nuclear disarmament but only you and everyone else gets to keep their nukes.
      - Herring 1y ago
        Your "nukes" are leaking into the water supply. Inequality shows up a million different ways that Americans don't fully understand yet, eg inflation (dominant companies increasing profits), teacher shortages (low wages), student debt (not an issue for the wealthy so why fix it), housing prices (corporate landlords, exclusionary zoning), layoffs (despite record profits) etc etc. This situation (Trump/Musk/Bezos taking most of the gains) is just not long-term stable, and if any other country wants to do the same to themselves let them. The longer it goes the harder it will be to fix. Again, go have this discussion with the LLM you trust, it's much more informative.
        1y ago

byteknight 1y ago

As an American, I obviously can get behind it, but I can easily see how a declared goal of superiority of others would rub those others the wrong way (and possibly prevent their contribution) [Insert xkcd new standard image here]

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>a declared goal of superiority of others would rub those others the wrong way So what? Does that change anything in how things work in reality? Everyone knows it, so why pussyfoot around it?. Why are people nowadays so sensitive about saying the truth of how things work? Have people been coddled that much that they've can't handle reality? A good life lesson is that the world does not revolve around your feelings.
- Guthur 1y ago
  It's not my feelings mate, if you don't live outside the US and have not been subjected to their unipolar attitude you will probably never understand and there is literally nothing I'm going to say to convince you of the objective reality the rest of us face.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    Sorry, I wasn't talking about you specifically, but the general "you" as in you the reader.
laughingcurve 1y ago
As an American researcher, I can assure you that the Chinese superiority and behavior in the field is certainly ENCOURAGING my contributions.

Herring 1y ago

Yes, competition is good. Monopoly is bad. A more distributed power structure is much better for overall progress, and even for the monopolist in the long run (Ex: Intel).

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>Monopoly is bad. So what do you propose? Should the US stop development till other countries catch up?
- Herring 1y ago
  Nah, I'd say just do more anti-monopoly anti-inequality work. Probably start internally, that's a massive enough task on its own (eg breaking up big tech). Assist other countries eg with aid if (and only if) they are doing the same. This is a big topic, ask your favorite frontier LLM about it.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    Unless China does the same that's an unrealistic ask. That would be like doing nuclear disarmament but only you and everyone else gets to keep their nukes.
    - Herring 1y ago
      Your "nukes" are leaking into the water supply. Inequality shows up a million different ways that Americans don't fully understand yet, eg inflation (dominant companies increasing profits), teacher shortages (low wages), student debt (not an issue for the wealthy so why fix it), housing prices (corporate landlords, exclusionary zoning), layoffs (despite record profits) etc etc. This situation (Trump/Musk/Bezos taking most of the gains) is just not long-term stable, and if any other country wants to do the same to themselves let them. The longer it goes the harder it will be to fix. Again, go have this discussion with the LLM you trust, it's much more informative.
      - 1y ago