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It's nice to have agreed-upon, citable facts though, even if only so that voters know who's full of crap during a debate. When the next R candidate says that Tr

It's nice to have agreed-upon, citable facts though, even if only so that voters know who's full of crap during a debate. When the next R candidate says that Trump handled inflation beautifully, it's important to be able to point to an authoritative source that shows that that claim is BS.

diego_moita 1y ago
Yes, it *would be* nice to have well-informed voters and intelligent and well-argued discussions. But we'll never live in a place like that. We're stuck in the Facebook/Twitter/WhatsApp world. Democracy is a circus managed by the monkey cage.
- throw0101a 1y ago
  > Yes, it would be nice to have well-informed voters and intelligent and well-argued discussions. "Feelings don't care about (your) facts." — not Ben Shapiro, https://www.amazon.com/Facts-Dont-Care-about-Feelings/dp/1949673162 https://www.amazon.com/Facts-Dont-Care-about-Feelings/dp/194... "You don’t bring facts to a feelings fight." — Cole Christie, https://www.in8create.com/blog/herding-squirrels-ep-03-w-cole-christie https://www.in8create.com/blog/herding-squirrels-ep-03-w-col...
dpkirchner 1y ago
The majority of R voters don't care about authoritative sources. In fact, authority when it comes to information is a negative in their view, based on all available evidence (ie elections over the past few decades). We're well past the point that debates matter.
- AnimalMuppet 1y ago
  Debates may not matter to R voters. There are enough independent voters to matter, though.
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
  R voters say you can't trust mainstream media and then cheer when this administration fills it's ranks with mainstream media people from FOX, including the head of defense, top D.C. Prosecutors, etc.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  > The majority of R voters don't care about authoritative sources. Hence the joke: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2X93u3anTco&t=98s https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2X93u3anTco&t=98s

diego_moita 1y ago

Yes, it *would be* nice to have well-informed voters and intelligent and well-argued discussions. But we'll never live in a place like that. We're stuck in the Facebook/Twitter/WhatsApp world. Democracy is a circus managed by the monkey cage.

throw0101a 1y ago
> Yes, it would be nice to have well-informed voters and intelligent and well-argued discussions. "Feelings don't care about (your) facts." — not Ben Shapiro, https://www.amazon.com/Facts-Dont-Care-about-Feelings/dp/1949673162 https://www.amazon.com/Facts-Dont-Care-about-Feelings/dp/194... "You don’t bring facts to a feelings fight." — Cole Christie, https://www.in8create.com/blog/herding-squirrels-ep-03-w-cole-christie https://www.in8create.com/blog/herding-squirrels-ep-03-w-col...

dpkirchner 1y ago

The majority of R voters don't care about authoritative sources. In fact, authority when it comes to information is a negative in their view, based on all available evidence (ie elections over the past few decades). We're well past the point that debates matter.

AnimalMuppet 1y ago
Debates may not matter to R voters. There are enough independent voters to matter, though.
_DeadFred_ 1y ago
R voters say you can't trust mainstream media and then cheer when this administration fills it's ranks with mainstream media people from FOX, including the head of defense, top D.C. Prosecutors, etc.
ethbr1 1y ago
> The majority of R voters don't care about authoritative sources. Hence the joke: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2X93u3anTco&t=98s https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2X93u3anTco&t=98s