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> it's probably unconstitutional to teach from it or promote it https://oklahoma.gov/education/newsroom/2025/march/despite-controversy-oklahoma-becomes-the-fir

> it's probably unconstitutional to teach from it or promote it https://oklahoma.gov/education/newsroom/2025/march/despite-controversy-oklahoma-becomes-the-first-state-to-initiate-bibles-back-in-school-campaign.html https://oklahoma.gov/education/newsroom/2025/march/despite-c... The Constitution only applies if there are people able and willing to enforce it.

jwally 1y ago
This is the key to everything in the US right now I feel. Laws exist, but they're not being enforced or are difficult to enforce legally. This lets people at the top do whatever now since the eventual consequences (if any) are way out in the future and punitive to the gains they get now. Its like being a bank robber with a Ferrari when the cops are stuck using horse-and-buggies.
- komali2 1y ago
  > This is the key to everything in the US right now I feel. Laws exist, but they're not being enforced or are difficult to enforce legally. My hope is that this situation wakes Americans up to the fact that laws were always this way. I'm hoping this breaks the myth of the law as a fair arbiter of justice. In reality the legal system of the USA is enforced at the whim of incredibly biased cops, judges, and politicians. I really think a day in a county courthouse should be a requirement for all American kids so they can see just how arbitrarily sentencing is applied or how whether someone ends up in trial at all can hinge on whether a judge agrees or disagrees there was probable cause, and the judge will do like 20 of these hearings one after another. Not to mention the fact that any black American can tell you that there's two justice systems in the USA: the one for white people, and the one for everyone else. Hence why so many black kids can tell you about when their parents gave them "The Talk," and no, it's not the birds and bees one, it's the one about how your white friends can get up to mischief that you can't and there's nothing you can do about it so don't bother getting mad about it, just keep your head down and never backtalk the cops.
  - chrisco255 1y ago
    > never backtalk the cops This is advice my parents gave me too. It's generally sound advice.
    - 1718627440 1y ago
      I think it really matters how you talk bad. Telling the police ACAB won't fly anywhere. Asking them to inform you about the law (which you think is different than there interpretation of it), might be a start of a conversation. They are also just humans who do their job and want to be treated nicely like everyone else.
      - komali2 1y ago
        > I think it really matters how you talk bad. Telling the police ACAB won't fly anywhere. Asking them to inform you about the law (which you think is different than there interpretation of it), might be a start of a conversation. They are also just humans who do their job and want to be treated nicely like everyone else. One of the goals of ACAB folks is to help people understand that this isn't true. Yes, police are humans, but no, you can't reason with them. You as an individual aren't going to overcome the might of the state's propagandizing and training of them to treat you like a potential threat to their life, or at best, a criminal. Modern police training revolves heavily around hyper paranoia around how any interaction could lead to their sudden death. For whatever reason, the apparatus has chosen to create an army of armed, nervous, below-a-defined-level IQ thugs. I personally believe all humans deserve a minimum of respect, but ACAB isn't just a statement of ideology, it's a warning: All bears are hungry, all cops are bastards. You wouldn't try to reason with a bear, you wouldn't make sudden movements around a bear, nor should you do that with a cop. With a cop you should simply say nothing other than wanting to maintain your 5th amendment right to remain silent, and then try to leave an interaction with them or wait for them to take you to jail. ACAB is a warning against attempting for any other outcome, because no other outcome is statistically probable enough to justify taking a risk to achieve. The moment a cop engages with you, you are dealing with a potentially hungry bear.

jwally 1y ago

This is the key to everything in the US right now I feel. Laws exist, but they're not being enforced or are difficult to enforce legally. This lets people at the top do whatever now since the eventual consequences (if any) are way out in the future and punitive to the gains they get now. Its like being a bank robber with a Ferrari when the cops are stuck using horse-and-buggies.

komali2 1y ago
> This is the key to everything in the US right now I feel. Laws exist, but they're not being enforced or are difficult to enforce legally. My hope is that this situation wakes Americans up to the fact that laws were always this way. I'm hoping this breaks the myth of the law as a fair arbiter of justice. In reality the legal system of the USA is enforced at the whim of incredibly biased cops, judges, and politicians. I really think a day in a county courthouse should be a requirement for all American kids so they can see just how arbitrarily sentencing is applied or how whether someone ends up in trial at all can hinge on whether a judge agrees or disagrees there was probable cause, and the judge will do like 20 of these hearings one after another. Not to mention the fact that any black American can tell you that there's two justice systems in the USA: the one for white people, and the one for everyone else. Hence why so many black kids can tell you about when their parents gave them "The Talk," and no, it's not the birds and bees one, it's the one about how your white friends can get up to mischief that you can't and there's nothing you can do about it so don't bother getting mad about it, just keep your head down and never backtalk the cops.
- chrisco255 1y ago
  > never backtalk the cops This is advice my parents gave me too. It's generally sound advice.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    I think it really matters how you talk bad. Telling the police ACAB won't fly anywhere. Asking them to inform you about the law (which you think is different than there interpretation of it), might be a start of a conversation. They are also just humans who do their job and want to be treated nicely like everyone else.
    - komali2 1y ago
      > I think it really matters how you talk bad. Telling the police ACAB won't fly anywhere. Asking them to inform you about the law (which you think is different than there interpretation of it), might be a start of a conversation. They are also just humans who do their job and want to be treated nicely like everyone else. One of the goals of ACAB folks is to help people understand that this isn't true. Yes, police are humans, but no, you can't reason with them. You as an individual aren't going to overcome the might of the state's propagandizing and training of them to treat you like a potential threat to their life, or at best, a criminal. Modern police training revolves heavily around hyper paranoia around how any interaction could lead to their sudden death. For whatever reason, the apparatus has chosen to create an army of armed, nervous, below-a-defined-level IQ thugs. I personally believe all humans deserve a minimum of respect, but ACAB isn't just a statement of ideology, it's a warning: All bears are hungry, all cops are bastards. You wouldn't try to reason with a bear, you wouldn't make sudden movements around a bear, nor should you do that with a cop. With a cop you should simply say nothing other than wanting to maintain your 5th amendment right to remain silent, and then try to leave an interaction with them or wait for them to take you to jail. ACAB is a warning against attempting for any other outcome, because no other outcome is statistically probable enough to justify taking a risk to achieve. The moment a cop engages with you, you are dealing with a potentially hungry bear.