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I wonder if one could get away with vandalizing cameras as protected speech. I would certainly start wearing makeup: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-2000343

I wonder if one could get away with vandalizing cameras as protected speech. I would certainly start wearing makeup: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20003431-1.html http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20003431-1.html

lectrick 14y ago
I'm already intending to do this with traffic cameras. Freedom-sniping, I'll call it.
- raleec 14y ago
  http://wtop.com/64/3025740/Speed-cam-shooter-Dont-do-what-I-did http://wtop.com/64/3025740/Speed-cam-shooter-Dont-do-what-I-...
falcolas 14y ago
A bit more concrete information on how to defeat facial recognition: http://cvdazzle.com/ http://cvdazzle.com/
- fein 14y ago
  I know this is a shot in the dark, as you linked the site, so I don't know how in depth you may have dived into the issue: > Partially obscure the nose-bridge are: The region where the nose, eyes, and forehead intersect is a key facial feature. Wouldn't a big pair of aviators, or any sunglasses, pretty much take care of this?
  - Evbn 14y ago
    This is explicitly discussed on the linked page.
- timClicks 14y ago
  When I read this article a few months ago, I wondered if protesters should just start wearing hats: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/05/04/152011840/who-killed-mens-hats-think-of-a-three-letter-word-beginning-with-i http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/05/04/152011840/who-k...
  - derpmeister 14y ago
    Let me put on my tin foil hat.
lifeisstillgood 14y ago
Vandalising cameras is not (IMO) a valid response. These cameras are put up with the intention of protecting life / liberty / property. Perfectly valid and laudable aims in a democracy. The problem is that the uses of the systems can become subverted and spiral downwards, through lack of controls and oversight. As an example imagine cameras and software to identify sudden violent actions in a street, flag the incident for review, follow all the involved people as they walk down different streets switching cameras intelligently. That seems a good thing. Bad thing: not knowing you were being monitored last night and upon review nothing violent actually happened. Badder thing: not knowing you are being monitored as part of a skin-color recognition innovation. Badderer things: oh lots, but all about technologies being used outside of strict, "just cause" reasons.
- Evbn 14y ago
  I don't see how your first sentence is supported by the rest.
  - lifeisstillgood 14y ago
    The existence of the cameras is not the problem. It's how we use the output of them. Vandalising cameras without putting in place (legislative) checks around the use of surveillance devices is short sighted Luddism - so not a valid response
    - derpmeister 14y ago
      That's like saying "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." even though death by speeding bullet is more prevalent where guns are legal. Guns and cameras should be used only where a credible strategical benefit exists. Right now, they're often part of a scare tactic and thus oppresses the people confronted by them. One has to ask whether their output is relevant at all before questioning the usage of said output.
      - lifeisstillgood 14y ago

lectrick 14y ago

I'm already intending to do this with traffic cameras. Freedom-sniping, I'll call it.

raleec 14y ago
http://wtop.com/64/3025740/Speed-cam-shooter-Dont-do-what-I-did http://wtop.com/64/3025740/Speed-cam-shooter-Dont-do-what-I-...

falcolas 14y ago

A bit more concrete information on how to defeat facial recognition: http://cvdazzle.com/ http://cvdazzle.com/

fein 14y ago
I know this is a shot in the dark, as you linked the site, so I don't know how in depth you may have dived into the issue: > Partially obscure the nose-bridge are: The region where the nose, eyes, and forehead intersect is a key facial feature. Wouldn't a big pair of aviators, or any sunglasses, pretty much take care of this?
- Evbn 14y ago
  This is explicitly discussed on the linked page.
timClicks 14y ago
When I read this article a few months ago, I wondered if protesters should just start wearing hats: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/05/04/152011840/who-killed-mens-hats-think-of-a-three-letter-word-beginning-with-i http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/05/04/152011840/who-k...
- derpmeister 14y ago
  Let me put on my tin foil hat.

lifeisstillgood 14y ago

Vandalising cameras is not (IMO) a valid response. These cameras are put up with the intention of protecting life / liberty / property. Perfectly valid and laudable aims in a democracy. The problem is that the uses of the systems can become subverted and spiral downwards, through lack of controls and oversight. As an example imagine cameras and software to identify sudden violent actions in a street, flag the incident for review, follow all the involved people as they walk down different streets switching cameras intelligently. That seems a good thing. Bad thing: not knowing you were being monitored last night and upon review nothing violent actually happened. Badder thing: not knowing you are being monitored as part of a skin-color recognition innovation. Badderer things: oh lots, but all about technologies being used outside of strict, "just cause" reasons.

Evbn 14y ago
I don't see how your first sentence is supported by the rest.
- lifeisstillgood 14y ago
  The existence of the cameras is not the problem. It's how we use the output of them. Vandalising cameras without putting in place (legislative) checks around the use of surveillance devices is short sighted Luddism - so not a valid response
  - derpmeister 14y ago
    That's like saying "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." even though death by speeding bullet is more prevalent where guns are legal. Guns and cameras should be used only where a credible strategical benefit exists. Right now, they're often part of a scare tactic and thus oppresses the people confronted by them. One has to ask whether their output is relevant at all before questioning the usage of said output.
    - lifeisstillgood 14y ago