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Just a note that johnisgood appears to be another person on this thread who has very strong opinions about what it’s like to live in London based on online cont

by foldr 1y ago

Just a note that johnisgood appears to be another person on this thread who has very strong opinions about what it’s like to live in London based on online content that they’ve consumed, but who doesn’t actually live here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44898930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44898930 If they’re not willing to listen to actual Londoners then the discussion is unlikely to be productive.

johnisgood 1y ago
I consumed https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2025-0150/#:~:text=This%20is%20equivalent%20to%20200,stolen%20in%20London%20in%202024. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-... And I consumed many people's "unsafe" experiences, similar to YOUR "safe" experiences. As I said, N = ~4 saying "it's safe" means fuck all, just like N = ~4 saying the opposite. So... you appear to be another person who invalidates and completely disregards other people's experiences (and your own Government's publishing) in favor of yours, because somehow yours is more valid. It is not. You need to stop painting London as a safe place, because that it is not. Maybe it is on the routes you take in your car, but in general, no, not really. Hell, even Budapest is safer than London. > Hungary's national crime rate in 2021 was approximately 0.77 crimes per 100 residents. This figure represents a significant decline from 0.82 in 2020, indicating a 5.86% decrease . Specific data for Budapest is limited, but the city's overall crime index is reported at 33.99 out of 100, which is considered low.[1] > In contrast, London's crime rate is significantly higher. The annual crime rate in the London region is approximately 30.1 crimes per 1,000 people, which is about 86% of the national average for England and Wales . Violent crime constitutes 22.6% of all reported crimes in London . Notably, Westminster, a central borough in London, recorded a staggering 432.3 crimes per 1,000 residents, largely due to its high daytime population from tourism.[2] So, by the available numbers, Budapest has about 0.77 crimes per 100 people, while London has 3.01 per 100. That makes London's crime rate ~3.9x higher, meaning Budapest is roughly 74% safer per capita. [1] https://diaklakas.hu/en/blog/public-safety-budapest/ https://diaklakas.hu/en/blog/public-safety-budapest/ [2] https://www.plumplot.co.uk/London-violent-crime-statistics.html https://www.plumplot.co.uk/London-violent-crime-statistics.h...
- foldr 1y ago
  I don’t own a car. There are safer cities than London and there are more dangerous ones. London is pretty middle of the pack, if you look at European or American cities of comparable size. Even the stats that you yourself link to show that London is one of the safer parts of the UK.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    My claim was that London is not as safe as some people have stated so, mentions nothing about other parts of the UK. Do we know why there are so much knife crime in London? Do we know why is there so much crime in more dangerous cities? What are your guesses?
    - foldr 1y ago
      The rate of knife crime with injury, as recorded by the Met, has remained fairly stable since 2010. There has been a small but significant increase in overall knife-related offenses since 2010, but there is always the possibility that this has more to do with stricter enforcement than any baseline increase in criminal behavior. So knife crime is not really a good example of any kind of recent crime surge in London. See the first chart in this article: https://www.onlondon.co.uk/dave-hill-lets-get-the-london-knife-crime-story-straight/ https://www.onlondon.co.uk/dave-hill-lets-get-the-london-kni... (Note that the identification of Westminster as a knife-crime hotspot in the second chart is misleading, as this is an area of central London with lots of tourists and workers, thus inflating the number of crimes per the relatively small number of residents.) Knife crime is a serious problem, but it’s not something that I worry about at all in my day to day life in London. It would be no more rational for me to do so (in fact, less rational) than it would be for a New Yorker to worry about being shot. What I still don’t understand about this thread is why someone who doesn’t live in London has repeatedly being telling people who do live in London to “go out and see for themselves”. You seem very attached to a narrative about London found in certain sections of right wing online media, and unless you’re not telling us something, this can’t be because you have any personal interest in life in London. I feel like there’s some kind of agenda here, but I don’t care to speculate exactly what it is.

by foldr 1y ago

johnisgood 1y ago

I consumed https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2025-0150/#:~:text=This%20is%20equivalent%20to%20200,stolen%20in%20London%20in%202024. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-... And I consumed many people's "unsafe" experiences, similar to YOUR "safe" experiences. As I said, N = ~4 saying "it's safe" means fuck all, just like N = ~4 saying the opposite. So... you appear to be another person who invalidates and completely disregards other people's experiences (and your own Government's publishing) in favor of yours, because somehow yours is more valid. It is not. You need to stop painting London as a safe place, because that it is not. Maybe it is on the routes you take in your car, but in general, no, not really. Hell, even Budapest is safer than London. > Hungary's national crime rate in 2021 was approximately 0.77 crimes per 100 residents. This figure represents a significant decline from 0.82 in 2020, indicating a 5.86% decrease . Specific data for Budapest is limited, but the city's overall crime index is reported at 33.99 out of 100, which is considered low.[1] > In contrast, London's crime rate is significantly higher. The annual crime rate in the London region is approximately 30.1 crimes per 1,000 people, which is about 86% of the national average for England and Wales . Violent crime constitutes 22.6% of all reported crimes in London . Notably, Westminster, a central borough in London, recorded a staggering 432.3 crimes per 1,000 residents, largely due to its high daytime population from tourism.[2] So, by the available numbers, Budapest has about 0.77 crimes per 100 people, while London has 3.01 per 100. That makes London's crime rate ~3.9x higher, meaning Budapest is roughly 74% safer per capita. [1] https://diaklakas.hu/en/blog/public-safety-budapest/ https://diaklakas.hu/en/blog/public-safety-budapest/ [2] https://www.plumplot.co.uk/London-violent-crime-statistics.html https://www.plumplot.co.uk/London-violent-crime-statistics.h...

foldr 1y ago
I don’t own a car. There are safer cities than London and there are more dangerous ones. London is pretty middle of the pack, if you look at European or American cities of comparable size. Even the stats that you yourself link to show that London is one of the safer parts of the UK.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  My claim was that London is not as safe as some people have stated so, mentions nothing about other parts of the UK. Do we know why there are so much knife crime in London? Do we know why is there so much crime in more dangerous cities? What are your guesses?
  - foldr 1y ago
    The rate of knife crime with injury, as recorded by the Met, has remained fairly stable since 2010. There has been a small but significant increase in overall knife-related offenses since 2010, but there is always the possibility that this has more to do with stricter enforcement than any baseline increase in criminal behavior. So knife crime is not really a good example of any kind of recent crime surge in London. See the first chart in this article: https://www.onlondon.co.uk/dave-hill-lets-get-the-london-knife-crime-story-straight/ https://www.onlondon.co.uk/dave-hill-lets-get-the-london-kni... (Note that the identification of Westminster as a knife-crime hotspot in the second chart is misleading, as this is an area of central London with lots of tourists and workers, thus inflating the number of crimes per the relatively small number of residents.) Knife crime is a serious problem, but it’s not something that I worry about at all in my day to day life in London. It would be no more rational for me to do so (in fact, less rational) than it would be for a New Yorker to worry about being shot. What I still don’t understand about this thread is why someone who doesn’t live in London has repeatedly being telling people who do live in London to “go out and see for themselves”. You seem very attached to a narrative about London found in certain sections of right wing online media, and unless you’re not telling us something, this can’t be because you have any personal interest in life in London. I feel like there’s some kind of agenda here, but I don’t care to speculate exactly what it is.